POTY & YPOTY

Fabregas > Milner. stats dont lie.

as for vermaelen, i think he deserves to be in there. i think hes done exceptionally well for his first season and will improve.

also, the Young Player... should be under 21. not sure how 24 is classed as young in football terms especially these days when you have 16 year olds getting games.
 
shipinabottle said:
Fabregas > Milner. stats dont lie.

as for vermaelen, i think he deserves to be in there. i think hes done exceptionally well for his first season and will improve.

also, the Young Player... should be under 21. not sure how 24 is classed as young in football terms especially these days when you have 16 year olds getting games.
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I think the Milner/Fabregas one is a tough one. Fabregas in games has been brilliant in some and he also been distinctly average in others. Milner on the other hand is one of them players who seems to come away with a solid 7/10 performance week in week out. So it might be the consistency that got it him the nod.

The thing to bear in mind is that this vote is from his fellow pro's who play against them week in week out, so to my mind this award has a lot more prestige than the football writers award where there is a lot more room for bias.
 
one other thing which might have gone against Fabregas is that by HIS standards he hasnt always played brilliantly - so even when he does well compared to most other / all other players because he was worse than last year (for instance) its easier for people to look elsewhere.

Milner has done very well indeed and fully deserves it although as already noted he isnt exactly "young"

Rooney is The Man!!!:D
 
Might be easy to forget the earlier part of this season but Fabregas HAS been immense this year, by anybody's standards
 
Shamikebab said:
So stupid that the player of the year doesn't win the young player of the year...that just makes **** all sense.
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Come on, they are footballer- what do you expect?

At least it wasn't a media driven award like last year. Rooney certainly deserved it. He has had to change his game this season, as UTD went back to a more traditional winger based game, and looks the better player for it.

BTW, we forgot to have our pre-award season vs annual 'discussion'! Ah well, there is a always next season!
 
Tom84 said:
Both only really turned up in the second half of the season, Milner especially has been great all season long
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Lampard had 7 in the league by mid Jan, the same amount Milner scored all year, Lampard only turned up half way through the year?

Malouda just still is crap, now scored 9 goals in games Chelsea have won 4-0 or more, in games where his goal couldn't possibly have mattered, and scored an easy goal he still almost missed after the worse miss I've ever seen in football.

Milner, 7 goals 12 assists, Lampard 20 goals, 15 assists, and lots of game changing ones. When you see who Milners scored against, 1 against Brum and one or two against Bolton are his "biggest" goals, with the rest mostly against the bottom 5.

Personally I think he's MASSIVELY over rated, remember of the 7 goals quite a few have been penalties, Villa in general haven't been scoring well or playing well against top teams and EVERYONE bar no one is scoring in general higher this year, 7 goals, some penalties, mostly against the bottom 5, doesn't strike me as "young player of the year" material. He's english so lets blow him scoring a few more than last year all out of proportion.


Don't agree with Rooney personally, but being voted by the players..... no way was Drogba going to get it as too many people think he's a diving cheating tit, which is fair enough, even though he's been far less bad this year.

Considering its looking like Drogba, more goals, quite a few more goals excluding penalties, over twice the assists and still going, a bunch of goals against the top half of the table including against the top 6, does far more defensively, holds it up better, personally I think he's been noticeably more effective than Rooney, if he was English he'd have walked it.

Milner is laughable, Cesc was FAR better, like by miles, and Cesc is borderline "young", Milner at 24 is a joke as young player of the year, just another way to include a English player on an award.

Fletcher in the team of the year is also laughable, fairly useless getting forward this year, given credit for the "steel" he gives the midfield yet playing in most of their losses, he was FAR worse this year than last year and Fletcher over Lampard is embarassingly stupid.
 
Would be kind of hard for Lampard to pip Milner to YPOTY though DM.

No surprise in the fact that you disagree with everyone else regarding Rooney though. Same old, same old.
 
Tunney said:
Vermaelen is poor defensively.

I'd put Dawson in the team over him all day long.
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I do agree that Gallas > Vermaelen this season.

But Vermaelen is hardly poor defensively. He's made very few mistakes in his first season in a new league (which let's be honest, is much more competitive than the Dutch league) and has excelled mostly. The ones against Barca are hard to blame him for too, playing with a random CB partner (Song at one point!) and being battered for 90 minutes, it's very hard to keep Barca out when they're constantly knocking at the door, you're going to make a mistake. He has made 2 or 3 genuine mistakes over the season but has been a big improvement on Toure

That's without mentioning that footballers are human and humans make mistakes. Look at Vidic, probably the best CB in the world, he has made plenty of big mistakes over the last year or so. It does happen when you're facing quality players.
 
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jakeke said:
That's without mentioning that footballers are human and humans make mistakes. Look at Vidic, probably the best CB in the world, he has made plenty of big mistakes over the last year or so. It does happen when you're facing quality players.
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Just put on a blonde wig near him and he'll have flash backs and adopt the fetal position.
 
Milner isn't too old. He's eligible regardless of whether we think he should be or not.
You can argue with it because it's illogical that a player winning POTY is not also YPOTY if eligible, though (Rooney).

Was absolutely flabbergasted to read an article in the paper today where Konchesky was suggesting that Fulham were hard done by because the likes of Zamora weren't in the team of the season. Lets see, the two strikers picked were Rooney and Drogba. Both have had great seasons, scoring way more than Zamora (both have more than THREE TIMES his number of league goals), and both still in contention to win the title.

What made it even more laughable was he said that Zamora's 19 goals this season must put him in the top 5 goalscorers. Heck, there's 5 players who've scored 20+ goals in the league alone, never mind all competitions.
 
Tom84 said:
How many were pens....

I couldn't be bothered reading the rest
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Why does everyone here seem to think that penalties aren't goals? If that were the case there would be one clear leader for the prems top goalscorer and that's drogba as rooney, tevez and bent all take the penalties for their respective teams.
 
SS-89 said:
Why does everyone here seem to think that penalties aren't goals? If that were the case there would be one clear leader for the prems top goalscorer and that's drogba as rooney, tevez and bent all take the penalties for their respective teams.
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Because they arent during play

I agree with you but on the other hand Im not sure Rooney has actually been given that many penalties to take this season (ie few have been awarded when he was playing)
 
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