Pound for pound best point and shoot.

Richdog said:
While I would never be dismissive of manual control (it obviously has good uses), I also spend most of my time in Aperture priority mode and (in reasonable lighting conditions) Auto ISO. If you know your camera and how it behaves then automating things really helps you to focus on getting the shot you want because you can trust your camera to make the right decisions for your exposure.

In fact Auto ISO is an incredibly powerful feature... setting the max ISO and minimum shutter speed really increases your successful shot ratio in many dynamic scenarios where you can't be stopping to constantly change settings.

They are tools to help you get the best shots, nothing more and nothing less, and I find a lot of photographers seem to hold romantic notions that using them is somehow "cheating". Oh well, their loss!
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And that is why most profesionals use aperture or shutter priority with auto ISO, and autofocus. The only time auto ISO goes off is when the camera is ona. Tripod or I'm doing some manual flash work, the only time autofocus is off is if I have prefocussed or using Hyperfocal focusing.

I agree, a lot of photographers, especially beginners, seems to think it is cheating using a thing automatic. Nothing could e further form the truth. The more decisions the camera makes that results in better images, higher keeper rates, and more time to conce tarted on irritant aspects of the image the better. There is a strange set of people who think photography is about getting a manual technique that is as good as automatic exposure tools, and they take great joy in showing a well exposed , well focused photograph done entirely manually, irrespective of the subject, content, framing or composition.


You should first worry about your subject and how you are presenting it. Everything else is secondary, and any tools you have at your disposal to increase the odds of getting a pleasing presentation should be employed without fussing other technical details of how that image was derived.
 
D.P. said:
And that is why most profesionals use aperture or shutter priority with auto ISO, and autofocus. The only time auto ISO goes off is when the camera is ona. Tripod or I'm doing some manual flash work, the only time autofocus is off is if I have prefocussed or using Hyperfocal focusing.

I agree, a lot of photographers, especially beginners, seems to think it is cheating using a thing automatic. Nothing could e further form the truth. The more decisions the camera makes that results in better images, higher keeper rates, and more time to conce tarted on irritant aspects of the image the better. There is a strange set of people who think photography is about getting a manual technique that is as good as automatic exposure tools, and they take great joy in showing a well exposed , well focused photograph done entirely manually, irrespective of the subject, content, framing or composition.


You should first worry about your subject and how you are presenting it. Everything else is secondary, and any tools you have at your disposal to increase the odds of getting a pleasing presentation should be employed without fussing other technical details of how that image was derived.
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A rare moment when we are in full agreement. :D
 
mid_gen said:
It's almost as if there is pleasure to be gained from mastering a manual skill, who'd have thought it! :cool:
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It is of course satisfying to learn manual controls (and the foundation of bring a good photographer) and no-one said otherwise, but ultimately anything that helps you get better shots in the situations you use your camera is what really counts. :)
 
Oh I don't know who the club pro thinks he's arguing with now but it's not me! :)

Disagree with the last point I'm afraid, if you're not professional then all that matters is you enjoy yourself taking photos. Nice thing about photography, at the end of the day it's just an image on paper and hasn't really changed for decades, just the technology that makes it.
 
mid_gen said:
if you're not professional then all that matters is you enjoy yourself taking photos.
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Now that I agree with 100%, but for me the enjoyment comes from being out there (preferably deep in nature), persistence and determination to get the shot, planning, finding the subject, and above all else that magic moment when it all comes together and you know you got that perfect shot, and without worrying about technical flaws. I don't get enjoyment setting the ISO, I used to have to do that all the time and it is easy enough but with today's camera there is just one less technical thing to care about.
 
Slam62 said:
So what is the best point and shoot pound for pound?
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Depends entirely on what you want. The bigger sensor of the LX100 puts it at the top of my list, it is basically the same camera I use use but 2/3rds of the size and lens 5x Faster.
 
D.P. said:
Depends entirely on what you want. The bigger sensor of the LX100 puts it at the top of my list, it is basically the same camera I use use but 2/3rds of the size and lens 5x Faster.
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As per my previous post I went for a used Olympus xz-2 f1.8-2.5 for £115.00 with hybrid focus/aperture ring etc. Can get it in a coat/jacket and baggy trouser pocket and is far more adaptable than my phone. Have yet to test it out prior to committing myself fully to keeping it though? If things do not work out then the LX100 will be back on my list followed by the Sony mark 2.
 
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mid_gen said:
Oh I don't know who the club pro thinks he's arguing with now but it's not me! :)
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No-one is "arguing", it's a civil discussion from different points of view, sorry if it gets your goat enough to start being personal. :)

Disagree with the last point I'm afraid, if you're not professional then all that matters is you enjoy yourself taking photos. Nice thing about photography, at the end of the day it's just an image on paper and hasn't really changed for decades, just the technology that makes it.
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I'm not a professional (wouldn't make anywhere near enough money vs what I do now in my day job anyway), my only point was that different situations require different methods.

D.P. said:
Depends entirely on what you want. The bigger sensor of the LX100 puts it at the top of my list, it is basically the same camera I use use but 2/3rds of the size and lens 5x Faster.
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Question is... is it 50% better than the RX100 Mk II?
 
The lx100 does look relatively big, I keep finding myself leaning towards an rx100 of one variation or another maybe the iii, seems expensive though.
 
If size is an issue I really would go with the RX100, for a camera that can easily fit in a coat or trouser pocket it can't be beat imo. I'm not sure what the mk2\mk3 add, but the mk1 is astonishingly capable for the size, and especially price now it's a few years old.

I'm off to Nuremberg tomorrow for the Christmas markets, always a good test, I'll share some shots when I get back.
 
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But, but I'm a bit used to a DSLR and L lenses, I know it won't compete with that, but just how bad will it be?

I have looked all over at image samples but all cameras can give good samples.
 
Since it uses a 20MP Sony Sensor I imagine the image quality won't be that far off an SLR using an equivilent 28-100mm f/4.9-f/13.4 lens.
 
Slam62 said:
The lx100 does look relatively big, I keep finding myself leaning towards an rx100 of one variation or another maybe the iii, seems expensive though.
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It not only looks big, it is big, really big.
If you genuinely want something for your pocket then an LX100 is just not an option, that's why the RX100 get so many recommendations as there is simply nothing with its mix of IQ and portability
 
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