Poverty rate among working households in UK is highest ever

Come to the UK. Get everything free. 'Great' disappeared from 'Britain' many years ago.

We are now a weak, easily pushed around, country.
 
loads of food banks around my way apparently.

there's no way anyone actually needs a food bank...

I lived on the dole before with kids, sure it's a struggle but you budget and control your spending.

it's perfectly manageable but you can't expect much of a life for yourself.

I bet the people going to these foodbanks waste loads of money on crap and put there kids last
 
FoxEye said:
(That kind of) factory work is beneath most of us, tbh. It's work for robots. Nobody will ever aspire to work in such a factory. Nobody will ever be enriched by working in a such a factory. Nobody will ever be praised or feel accomplished by working in such a factory.

It really is work for robots. The sole reason humans do that work today is their greater dexterity.

The quicker this kind of work is automated away, the better. Fortunately, it is happening, albeit slowly.

Humanity does not need to rely on such jobs to keep the population meaningfully engaged. We should and we will progress beyond it.

It's progress, not necessarily laziness. People want meaning in their lives and in their employment, and mindless factory work is not it.
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Not so sure. Some people are genuinely happy to just go to work come home and don't want more.
I've given up on a fulfilling job. Just content to have one that pays enough.

I don't have any love for it that's for sure. A lot of people probably get to a point and give up/settle
 
koolpc said:
Come to the UK. Get everything free. 'Great' disappeared from 'Britain' many years ago.

We are now a weak, easily pushed around, country.
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But apparently still in poverty.

Whereas they relatively were not in poverty in Somalia as everyone was ready poor..?

So why do they choose to live in such a poverty trap that is the UK?

Bad weather, bad trains, immigrants live in poverty and face intense discrimination...

Strange isn't it.
 
FoxEye said:
(That kind of) factory work is beneath most of us, tbh. It's work for robots. Nobody will ever aspire to work in such a factory. Nobody will ever be enriched by working in a such a factory. Nobody will ever be praised or feel accomplished by working in such a factory.

It really is work for robots.The sole reason humans do that work today is their greater dexterity .

The quicker this kind of work is automated away, the better. Fortunately, it is happening, albeit slowly.

Humanity does not need to rely on such jobs to keep the population meaningfully engaged. We should and we will progress beyond it.

It's progress, not necessarily laziness. People want meaning in their lives and in their employment, and mindless factory work is not it.
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Why?

Genuinely given your feelings at your job etc what is wrong with factory work?

Its physical and detailed, it easily occupies your base mind and conversation can occupy the rest of you, or a nice audio book, netflix documentary or your open university course.


I'd take a bit of menial manual labour in a factory over menial mental labour in a small office. Not because one is any more worthwhile than the other, just one is more suited to a human body
 
So what do we acrualy do with the people who aren't intelligent enough for a "proper job" but not so behind as to be disabled?

(The 75-85 kind of Iq rang)


They aren't going anywhere but the numbers will increase along with everyone else.
 
krooton said:
And bet you often make inaccurate assumptions.
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Everything here is an assumption, the only valid discussion revolves around each individual person or household, where we break down everything and see what's what.

I've never seen anyone who fits into the category portrayed in this thread. Mostly people just spend everything they earn. The question is if they manage their money or not.
 
Tefal said:
Why?

Genuinely given your feelings at your job etc what is wrong with factory work?

Its physical and detailed, it easily occupies your base mind and conversation can occupy the rest of you, or a nice audio book, netflix documentary or your open university course.


I'd take a bit of menial manual labour in a factory over menial mental labour in a small office. Not because one is any more worthwhile than the other, just one is more suited to a human body
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Yep very true ,we have to keep the machines running on the line and thats always a challenge ,a few weeks back i had to rebuild a useless new bottle labeler and printer with bits from the old one all the time knowing your missing targets while your down ,tweaking temperatures to get a better print and constant time and motion evaluation.
Also the boss has become tired of us complaining about machinery so now we can go to the office and research the new ones .
so dont really feel like a robot and physically better than an office but to be fair some factory work can be lower back destroying
I could stand there like a Robot i suppose but a few off us are ex agency and have been employed because we put the effort in and learn ,still rubbish money but more rewarding
 
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I don't fully get food banks, all the local supermarkets sell loads of stuff off in the evenings, we often go to grab certain foods, loaf of bread for 5p, gammon 50p. All the stuff with that days date on, kids get free fruit as well.
Wonky veg for pennies.

I think people are just lazy sometimes and want it given to them.
When we were saving up for our house we tried to live on as little as possible for 6 months it's absolutely amazing how little money you need for basic food. Yeah you're not going to be eating lobster but big bags of pasta, huge pack of tomatoes with today's date on for 5p makes a weeks worth, some ham for 50p, some other veg for 10p. Even a tin of corned beef makes meals for a week.
 
"Relative poverty" doesn't exist.

People are either dying with no food and water, or they simply don't have a 65" QLED TV, I am unconcerned about the latter. And shock as luxuries like kids are expensive!
 
Energize said:
"Relative poverty" doesn't exist.

People are either dying with no food and water, or they simply don't have a 65" QLED TV, I am unconcerned about the latter. And shock as luxuries like kids are expensive!
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Relative wealth doesn't exist either. People are either hard workers and able to afford Ferraris or they're lazy and can't. I mean you earn significantly more what someone on a properly low wage (0-$1 a day) is earning.

Edit: ad hominem!!1 strawman!!1
 
Tefal said:
Why?

Genuinely given your feelings at your job etc what is wrong with factory work?

Its physical and detailed, it easily occupies your base mind and conversation can occupy the rest of you, or a nice audio book, netflix documentary or your open university course.

I'd take a bit of menial manual labour in a factory over menial mental labour in a small office. Not because one is any more worthwhile than the other, just one is more suited to a human body
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If somebody said to me, "Your working life for the next 15 years will be watching potatoes coming down a conveyor belt, picking up the green ones and throwing them in this bucket, picking up the slightly mouldy ones and throwing them in this other bucket.." Well, I genuinely think I'd lose the will to live (no hyperbole).

I'm obviously not saying that all factories are like that. But those who work in that ones that are - well I can't imagine they don't have aspirations beyond that.

Should we not aspire to free people from that kind of repetitive, mindless work? I think yes, if you think no perhaps you can explain why you think that's good enough to stimulate and occupy a human mind?

In any case I think the direction of travel is clear - given time, robots will eventually replace humans in most of these tasks.
 
FoxEye said:
If somebody said to me, "Your working life for the next 15 years will be watching potatoes coming down a conveyor belt, picking up the green ones and throwing them in this bucket, picking up the slightly mouldy ones and throwing them in this other bucket.."
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The vast majority of factory work in this country is a bit more complex than that now. You've mentioned robots later in the post and they do much of those sorting tasks automatically now.
 
Ayahuasca said:
The vast majority of factory work in this country is a bit more complex than that now. You've mentioned robots later in the post and they do much of those sorting tasks automatically now.
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Plenty of mindless factory work in the food industry down here, that's pretty similar to what I described. Food and farming. Lots of that kind of "turn off your brain" labour.
 
Ayahuasca said:
The vast majority of factory work in this country is a bit more complex than that now. You've mentioned robots later in the post and they do much of those sorting tasks automatically now.
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The work is easy now and the pay is a lot better than retail for example. When English people turn up they turn their noses up to it as it is very boring work and it is physical but not the point of back breaking which isn't a bad thing considering UK obesity levels. It doesn't take long to get up to running machines which is a lot less labour intensive. Plus it is all continental shifts these days so they have a very good work life balance and always overtime available. One of my staff took home 29k last year with overtime (working 6 days in 8).
 
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