Poverty rate among working households in UK is highest ever

Hagar said:
I agree totally but it is a bit retrograde to quote 'couples income' for a manual labour job. I suppose manual labour is fruit picking rather than hod carrying or ditch digging but even so.
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It's factory work, generally on food processing lines.

And yes, even though a whole section of posters get all indignant when you say the natives don't want to do this sort of work and the only reason they don't is because the foreigners were 'nicking their jobs' , the reality is they just don't want to do it.

And to be honest, my best friend has worked in management in this sector for over 30 years and they don't even want to employ the natives as the ones who do come are lazy, don't work anywhere near as hard as the Eastern Europeans and don't stick it out either.
 
FoxEye said:
£600 for a couple, in other words £300 a week per person. That's only marginally above nat. min. wage, which has a take-home of about ~£270 per week.

That's a pathetic wage. An average weekly food shop is well over £100, then bills, rent, yadda. That's living hand-to-mouth.

Now, he says, "filling those vacancies is becoming increasingly difficult.." Seems like increasing the wages the job pays might fix that, eh? But no, instead of making the job pay better and thus be more attractive, let's blame the workers for being lazy and entitled instead.

This country in a nutshell. People should be grateful to work for Lord Pontington Smythe's business registered in the Bahamas who won't pay tax or a living wage.
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So what, it's still a way out of a life on benefits. My first job back in the 80's was grandly titled 'kitchen porter' basically a dishwasher, which I did for several months until I found a better job, which was in a supermarket stacking shelves, and I did that job until I found a better job. It's all about attitude. Some people are happy spending their lives whinging rather than trying to just get on with it and improve things. Nobody owes anybody a living.
 
Freakbro said:
It's factory work, generally on food processing lines.

And yes, even though a whole section of posters get all indignant when you say the natives don't want to do this sort of work and the only reason they don't is because the foreigners were 'nicking their jobs' , the reality is they just don't want to do it.

And to be honest, my best friend has worked in management in this sector for over 30 years and they don't even want to employ the natives as the ones who do come are lazy, don't work anywhere near as hard as the Eastern Europeans and don't stick it out either.
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Pay more or automate. Humans aren't robots.

The reason employers love Eastern European workers is that you can treat them like robots. Beep boop.
 
Freakbro said:
It's factory work, generally on food processing lines.

And yes, even though a whole section of posters get all indignant when you say the natives don't want to do this sort of work and the only reason they don't is because the foreigners were 'nicking their jobs' , the reality is they just don't want to do it.

And to be honest, my best friend has worked in management in this sector for over 30 years and they don't even want to employ the natives as the ones who do come are lazy, don't work anywhere near as hard as the Eastern Europeans and don't stick it out either.
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Well as you mention immigration here, shiver me timbers!


What is interesting is that we are on one hand told that immigration is great for the UK but on the other hand its claimed that 65% of bangladesh , 55% of pakistan and 45% of black Africans live in 'poverty' in the uk.

So if basically if for example 50% of people from the fastest growing immigrant families live in poverty why is it so fantastic they nest here again?
 
FoxEye said:
Pay more or automate. Humans aren't robots.

The reason employers love Eastern European workers is that you can treat them like robots. Beep boop.
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Rather silly thing to say when you don't know how much they pay or how they treat their staff

hint: it's well above minimum wage and the staff are treated the same as in any multinational company.
 
The Running Man said:
Well as you mention immigration here, shiver me timbers!


What is interesting is that we are on one hand told that immigration is great for the UK but on the other hand its claimed that 65% of bangladesh , 55% of pakistan and 45% of black Africans live in 'poverty' in the uk.

So if basically if for example 50% of people from the fastest growing immigrant families live in poverty why is it so fantastic they nest here again?
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Because living in 'poverty' here will be a damn sight better than living in poverty in the country they came from.
 
Freakbro said:
Rather silly thing to say when you don't know how much they pay or how they treat their staff hint: it's well above minimum wage and the staff are treated the same as in any multinational company.
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Not really, if people don't want to do it, the solution is to make it more attractive or to automate it away.

Moaning about how lazy the workforce is isn't going to achieve anything is it :p
 
The Running Man said:
Yeah thats great for them, but what about for the average tax paying citizen here, is it so great for them?
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Dunno it's never bothered me tbh. My family were immigrants anyway, and they made a very nice life for themselves here working hard. They didn't expect to get anything for free, and they didn't. Just hard work.
 
Uther said:
Dunno it's never bothered me tbh. My family were immigrants anyway, and they made a very nice life for themselves here working hard. They didn't expect to get anything for free, and they didn't. Just hard work.
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But we can see that 2 or 3 of the fastest growing groups have over 50% poverty rates which indicates that while you may be doing okay, a significant number are basically bleeding the rest of the citizens dry financially.
 
Uther said:
Because living in 'poverty' here will be a damn sight better than living in poverty in the country they came from.
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Not really, they often just want to save save save and then go home.

Look at the poor buggers living 8 to a room in parts of London (often illegally). I'm not sure how that's "better" than anywhere. They either come here on false pretences ("land of milk and honey") or they want to save for a few years and retire in their home country.

Look at the migrant workers. They often get put in some right **** accommodation here, but they put up with it for the same reasons. Earn earn earn, leave. Nobody wants to live in those conditions permanently.
 
FoxEye said:
Not really, if people don't want to do it, the solution is to make it more attractive or to automate it away.

Moaning about how lazy the workforce is isn't going to achieve anything is it :p
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Paying more money isn't going to make the applicant who comes magically any less lazy or useless. And the prevailing attitude I can glean from my friends kids (18 - 30 - all working) and by extension their friends is that factory work is beneath them, the pay is fairly irrelevant. And that's with their dad working in such a place and could have got them a summer job at the drop of a hat, but they wouldn't even entertain the idea and got work elsewhere, which wouldn't pay anymore.
 
The Running Man said:
Thats right relative. Not absolute.

Kids without half of what I said, which half? Because they all get the free education, free healthcare etc , school meals etc if they are eligible

When I was young I didnt have a game console a TV in my room or a phone. I had to work and buy my own things. I dont count that as poverty. Its just part of not being wealthy.
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Kids only get free education if someone is there to wake, feed and dress them. There may be circumstances that prevent this such as being a young carer or neglect.

You're a bit daft if you think the definition of poverty is not having a games console.
 
Freakbro said:
Paying more money isn't going to make the applicant who comes magically any less lazy or useless. And the prevailing attitude I can glean from my friends kids (18 - 30 - all working) and by extension their friends is that factory work is beneath them, the pay is fairly irrelevant. And that's with their dad working in such a place and could have got them a summer job at the drop of a hat, but they wouldn't even entertain the idea and got work elsewhere, which wouldn't pay anymore.
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(That kind of) factory work is beneath most of us, tbh. It's work for robots. Nobody will ever aspire to work in such a factory. Nobody will ever be enriched by working in a such a factory. Nobody will ever be praised or feel accomplished by working in such a factory.

It really is work for robots. The sole reason humans do that work today is their greater dexterity.

The quicker this kind of work is automated away, the better. Fortunately, it is happening, albeit slowly.

Humanity does not need to rely on such jobs to keep the population meaningfully engaged. We should and we will progress beyond it.

It's progress, not necessarily laziness. People want meaning in their lives and in their employment, and mindless factory work is not it.
 
Factory work sucks for sure but it was an alternative to the dole as I moved to Cornwall without a job we had a lawyer on the lines at our place,afew small business owners a farrier, just seems a dire job situation here.
Luckily mortgage free, and old enough to draw down now, probably go part time this year
I work on a very small line though 4 of us so it's basicly Gd all day long, have some good debates.
Also I still see Cornwall through tourist eyes and it's paradise imho, but will be better on a 3 day week
 
Uther said:
Dunno it's never bothered me tbh. My family were immigrants anyway, and they made a very nice life for themselves here working hard. They didn't expect to get anything for free, and they didn't. Just hard work.
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Exactly. There are many prospects for hard working workers and ways of promotion within that but people want something for nothing.

My brother in law who is Eastern European himself has no formal education what so ever and English isn't his first language. He came to this country with several hundred pounds living in a rented room.

He doesn't have a special job but works hard and does the overtime. He has put his daughter through University and will be an outright homeowner within ten years. He has only been in this country 15 years. People moaning about being on the poverty line only need to look at my example.

People just expect to get paid for nothing.
 
dLockers said:
Kids only get free education if someone is there to wake, feed and dress them. There may be circumstances that prevent this such as being a young carer or neglect.

You're a bit daft if you think the definition of poverty is not having a games console.
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So the solution here is to stop people, in particular those from immigrant backgrounds to stop having kids rather than birth rates way above the national average?
 
The Running Man said:
So the solution here is to stop people, in particular those from immigrant backgrounds to stop having kids rather than birth rates way above the national average?
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That sentence doesn't make sense but speaks volumes about you and summarises your posting history quite well.
 
dLockers said:
Kids only get free education if someone is there to wake, feed and dress them. There may be circumstances that prevent this such as being a young carer or neglect.
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Teachers will ensure that happens. I'm currently paying to feed and clothe a couple of kids due to the fact that their parents are selfish, feckless scum.
 
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