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PowerVR demonstrate x2 to x16 core GPU chip for mobile devices!

Caracus2k said “Ipad 2 to run Crysis?”
Given the specs and the quality of this video from last gen http://gizmodo.com/5693208/download...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo) why wouldn’t next gen or the gen after be able to run Crysis?

I admit I do have habit of underestimating timeframes.



wakayoda said “Crysis will never run on a mobile device without a large amount of tweaks and optimization.... my Nintendo 64 could easily play rage on low based on that screen shot!“
That’s just what people said about Unreal engine and Rage this time last year and the year before yet now it runs. As for the screenshot it was taken on low settings. It looks much better on high settings.
 
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An official rage hd screen shot apparently, umm that's not what I'd call good graphics if your trying to compare it in anyway to what a PC can produce.

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and another, look at how quickly they optimize the graphics with distance :o
 
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LOL, Unreal from what almost 10 years ago has sharper textures for much much further but less pollies.

If you do a search for Unreal 2 then you can see better graphics than Rage from a 2003 game ;)
 
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With these screen shots, you should at least consider the smaller screen size they're on. Not that I'm in agreement with how they'll overtake desktop graphics of course.
 
Rage HD while good for a mobile device, looks like a circa 1998 PC game. The very first Unreal looks better than that.

So yeah, it's got about 13 years of catching up to do by my reckoning.
 
Pottsey said:
1998 games never look this good http://gizmodo.com/5693208/download...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

or

http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=77308&size=hd

that to me is well beyond 1998 games.

I don’t see how people can deny at the current advancement rate that mobiles GPU’s will catch up and overtake. Sure it might not happen but going by the past few years it will happen.
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*Sure it will not happen but going but the past few years it will happen if you ignore reality
 
I am not arguing this anymore its basic math. Based on the current curve rate it will happen. PowerVR seem to be advancing faster than Nvidia in speed. Current projections say it will happen. Now these projections can change over time but you cannot deny current PowerVR generation speed increases are bigger then Nvidia. If this keeps up is another thing which can be argued.

EDIT: Put it another way. Nvidia’s next gen mobile chip is 10% faster than PowerVR last gen.
PowerVR’s next gen mobile chip is over 200% with some saying over 400% faster then last gen.

EDIT2 (edited again to make more sence: Plus when you add in PowerVR are expacted to have real-time ray tracing in a gen or two its not hard to see a mobile ray tracing chip running a game that looks better then a desktop card that does not have real-time ray tracing .
 
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Pottsey said:
I am not arguing this anymore its basic math. Based on the current curve rate it will happen. PowerVR seem to be advancing faster than Nvidia in speed. Current projections say it will happen. Now these projections can change over time but you cannot deny current PowerVR generation speed increases are bigger then Nvidia. If this keeps up is another thing which can be argued.

EDIT: Put it another way. Nvidia’s next gen mobile chip is 10% faster than PowerVR last gen.
PowerVR’s next gen mobile chip is over 200% with some saying over 400% faster then last gen.
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It's like saying Lada never did Le Mans last year, this year they did it and finished last in LMP1 but covered the same distance after 24 hours so next year I predict they will win the race and cover twice as much distance then the previous winner...with a 500cc engine.

Maths is all well and good at describing what happens to you if you have no mass and are approaching the speed of light but the fact is you do and always will have mass.

Well you now know it was wrong to say it but I just had to stick this reply in anyway, not trying to be a dick about it.
 
Pottsey... this being the internet, i read amazingly stupid comments on a daily basis, but you take the cake.

Theres absolutely no way a phones/tablets GPU could match a high end desktop GPU.
Theres many many reasons why this literally could not happen. Ever.
But i'll just say two very obvious ones... the cooling needed for a high end GPU, and the power draw. PC's will always have faster GPU's simply because they can run off the mains power, and can deal with chips hitting 90c+, and have cooling for it that takes up two PCI-E slots.

You seem to live in a reality where the laws of physics do not apply.

And you do realise that PowerVR have been around for a long time? PowerVR was in the Sega Dreamcast... funnily enough the Rage game graphics on the iphone are about equal to a Dreamcast.
But PowerVR were around long before then and they used to make desktop GPU's in the 90's... but you know what happened? They could not compete with Nvidia on performance and features, so they were crushed and had no choice but to leave that market.

Having said that, smartphone GPU's will have Xbox360/PS3 level performance late this year or early 2012, like the Snapdragon MSM8960 SoC for instance. But console hardware is already very dated. There will certainly be a day when smartphones can do Crysis level graphics and better, but Smartphone/tablet GPU's will always be atleast a few years behind the latest PC tech.
 
Umm I was just playing Rage HD on my workmates iphone 4g, what a terrible game! and yes it was blurry and reminded me of playing games from 2000 but on a tiny screen with awful controls, I can see that this is the way forward in to the light of a new dawn of gaming.
 
MR.B said "Theres absolutely no way a phones/tablets GPU could match a high end desktop GPU.
Theres many many reasons why this literally could not happen. Ever.
But i'll just say two very obvious ones... the cooling needed for a high end GPU, and the power draw."
Perhaps you should read up on tile based cards before you say that. PowerVR do not use the same type of technology as ATI and Nvidia. Tile based rendering means PowerVR can be 1/3 the raw speed of ATI/ Nvidia with 1/3 the power needed and 1/3 the cooling yet match them for speed or over take them in 3D. If you have a PowerVR chip with the raw power of Nvidia high end desktop cards then the PowerVR chip would be x3 to x5 faster. While ATI and Nvidia are struggling with bandwidth and heat PowerVR have solved that and have little problem in comparison. That and PowerVR are steps away from real-time ray tracing if they can pull this off and ATI/ Nvidia do not have real-time ray tracing. Then a mobile tile based chip with real-time ray tracing will have a very high chance of looking better than anything ATI/ Nvidia desktop cards can pull off.

I am not saying it's going to happen for sure but it's a very real possibility now with real-time ray tracing and the other mobile advance's.



MR.B said " You seem to live in a reality where the laws of physics do not apply."
Like above you should really go and read up on tile based cards. You seem to be under the wrong impression PowerVR chips work in the same way as ATI & Nvidia. The technology is very interesting and as vastly more efficient then what ATI/ Nvidia use. Tile based can scale to 16x cores with over 95% efficiency that's something ATI/ Nvidia cannot current do.




MR.B said " They could not compete with Nvidia on performance and features, so they were crushed and had no choice but to leave that market."
That is completely incorrect and is not what happened. Also the PowerVR desktop card with Nvidia TNT2 specs ran as fast as a Geforce 2 GTS sometimes as fast as the Geforce 2 Ultra depending on game.
 
So 1/3rd the power of one of the latest top end GPU's is what about 70watts! how many phones can power a GPU consuming 70watts :)

Don't get me wrong the power VR tech is great but still limited, when they brought out the PC card years ago it was really nice to have an alternative to the main contenders, almost like when Matrox could be used as well with the G400 series but they never went anywhere with it in larger scale chips. If they really can do all that you say they can then why don't they release this ultimate badass gaming card for PC?
 
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