Prison Life

compboyo said:
Is rpae rare? unlikely?

Is it ssafe to shower? Can you shower alone?

Also, can you get your own cell. Id hate to share with others.

Not that I plan jail, just curious
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Probably rare. I certainly never heard of anything or even felt ill at ease - but I suspect victims are unlikely to report!

Where I was there were individual shower cubicles but no curtains or anything like that. So you didn't share but you could certainly be watched. But I suspect that was the general idea.

I had my own cell at first, then shared. In the UK, due to the prison population being at record levels, single cells are likely to be hard to come by.
 
Gackt said:
But there are MANY people out there who try as hard as they can to look for work,
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Look for work they find appealing within an area they wish to work, you mean. Not that there is anything wrong with that but it doesn't mean there are no jobs - it means there are no jobs they wish to do or in the area they wish to do them.
 
shephga said:
Spend time and money working out the why's , what's, when's for every case then the legal costs will be skyhigh and the time for the case to get concluded will drag on which is not good for the accused or the victim. If people are proven to do wrong they get punished, save your caring and concern for the victims/businesses/families etc who just to want exist. If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh too much nambypampy carebear good doers who have their priorities wrong imo
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But if you don't work out the whys and whats, how do you prevent future crime. Surely the cost of prevention must be miniscule in comparison to the combined costs of investigation, punishment and reparation.
 
[TW]Fox;20157271 said:
Look for work they find appealing within an area they wish to work, you mean. Not that there is anything wrong with that but it doesn't mean there are no jobs - it means there are no jobs they wish to do or in the area they wish to do them.
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I see your point, and yes some of them will be like that.

I reacted to it somewhat personally, as I spent over a year looking for a job. Any job. And I was constantly told that I wasn't doing enough, scorned, made out to be a loser. And it was disheartening to say the least, luckily I'm strong-willed enough to shrug those comments off and not wallow and continue to look.

Luckily, but still after a long time, I found a job. A cleaning job. I can't say I ever dreamed of being a cleaner as a child, despite my tendancy to go around cleaning, and being around a lot of cleaners in my mother and grandmother lol, I took it because it was *a* job.

It just hate it when people act like you're not looking for a job or that you can spend 16 hours a day, every day, looking for a job.
 
Gackt said:
Yes, tackling the cause of crime is definitely a wrong priority. Trying to better mankind, yep, wrong priority.

:rolleyes:

Typical commoner thug mentality. Find it too difficult to understand the concept of prevention rather than cure, too guided by emotion to realise that simply punishing people isn't going to solve crime problems.

You seem to think just because I believe in a better society, where we try to prevent crime at the root, rather than simply flushing society's rejects down the toilet, that I don't think that criminals should have a difficult time in prison, and that I'm ignoring the grief of those outside who have been affected. What I'm not doing is simply rushing to appease them out of some misguided emotional response.



That is so much ********. Yes, there are plenty of people out there who can't be bothered and do think they're too good. But there are MANY people out there who try as hard as they can to look for work, who spend day-in-day out looking for work that will provide for them/their families.

Get your head out of the sky, mate, it's not just a matter of "Look for job, find job".

Perhaps if you bothered to understand human behaviour and why people do things, you'd understand that the world isn't so black and white.
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Sorry if you've taken any of my views personally, was not my intention to upset anyone, and it appears you're upset.

Whilst it's nice to think about bettering humanity you also need to think about the cost, I just think there's far more deserving places for money to be spent (if it's spent right). Education, Policing , Health Care etc.

Do you really think there is some Utopia that one day we'll reach, where there is no greed, jeaously etc ? You'll always have nasty wotnots who dont give a fig about you, your family or your possessions

Commoner thug mentality.... no not me, they're the ones that should be inside once they've committed and been found guilty of a crime :D .

Tell me do you have kids ?

I'm betting you dont, otherwise you'd be hearing what goes on at school and worry about what sort of country my kids are growing up in.

Understanding human behaviour, I teach my kids right from wrong, they're all respectful, polite and well behaved. I think that puts me up your morality scale for bringing my kids up correctly.

I disagree there's always work out there, sometimes it means making a sacrifice. It might not be in the same city/county/part of the country/country that you might want to work in but the works out there. I work with guys who've left their families behind in India and Eastern Europe and they're sending money back.
 
DanielMMS said:
But if you don't work out the whys and whats, how do you prevent future crime. Surely the cost of prevention must be miniscule in comparison to the combined costs of investigation, punishment and reparation.
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Theres a boy of 13 who goes to the same school as my daughter, he makes the other kids life a misery at school. Every night he's either sitting at home on his own or outside the pub whilst his parents spend their benefit money inside. Whats the answer to that ?

There's women who have kids so they can use the child benefit money for drinks and drugs. The kids are finally taken away and then the women go get pregnant again, get more benefit for more drink and drugs, kids go into care ...wash and repeat. Whats the answer to that ?

There are no easy answers to many things in life. Until someone comes up with the answer what do you do ? Take the risk of a serial rapist/murderer/mugger/childfiend repeating again and again til you finally think ok yeah this guy's naughty.
 
Gackt said:
I see your point, and yes some of them will be like that.

I reacted to it somewhat personally, as I spent over a year looking for a job. Any job. And I was constantly told that I wasn't doing enough, scorned, made out to be a loser. And it was disheartening to say the least, luckily I'm strong-willed enough to shrug those comments off and not wallow and continue to look.

Luckily, but still after a long time, I found a job. A cleaning job. I can't say I ever dreamed of being a cleaner as a child, despite my tendancy to go around cleaning, and being around a lot of cleaners in my mother and grandmother lol, I took it because it was *a* job.

It just hate it when people act like you're not looking for a job or that you can spend 16 hours a day, every day, looking for a job.
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Sorry to hear that Gackt.

Most jobs I've had at one time was 3. I've cleaned, laboured on building sites, worked in mcdonalds, bars, contracted 50 miles away for the best rate, just had to do what needs to be done. Like my earlier post what I've done is nothing compared to some of the blokes I work with.

Just winds me up hearing about people pussy footing round people that should not really be at the top of the concern list. My concerns are all for my kids, theres already nasty little f'ers at school who will almost certainly go on to do worse and worse. One kid lives with his 3 brothers and his grand parents, both his mum and dad are inside. I'm conflicted, on one hand they're kids who are dealing with the hand their parents have dealth them and on the other hand they make the other kids at schools life a misery. You could give them all the chances in the world but in the meantime they're making the other kids lifes miserable.
 
Castiel said:
There are people in Britain today that are in what we would consider poverty, not absolute as in Africa, but enough that outside of the basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing they have little else.
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Castiel said:
There is a skewed perception of poverty in this country mainly caused by misrepresentation in the tabloid media.
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To be fair the media only go by what is printed elsewhere (such as the World Bank). Even though there is no absolutle level of poverty in the UK, that's down to the ridiculous threshold that determines the poverty line for the world in general (about $2 a day).

[TW]Fox;20152799 said:
Thats the point being disputed here - our point is that its ridiculous to state that a prisioner shouldnt have a television as if its some sort of luxury good - because it just isn't these days. It's a cheap disposable item.
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An old 32" CRT certainly isn't classed a luxury item today.

Blackhawk47 said:
Have you even checked the job websites like reed/job serve etc?

Even a run of the mill office admin job in London is like well over £20k where as up in Leeds it would be nearer £12 - 14k if that.
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Have you checked the cost of living between Leeds and London? There are valid reasons for the differences.

There are some disadvantages also but then there are advantages to living in Leeds over London......................... (Seriously there is but I did laugh for a moment!)
 
If those who have been locked up can honestly turn around and say their time in jail was easy..... Then there is something really wrong with the system.

It isn't supposed to be easy. Its supposed to be hard, stressful and unpleasant. They should have to work for food and other pleasantries.

Some of what I hear/read makes me think they get treated better than soldiers in boot camps.
 
Blackhawk47 said:
Have you even checked the job websites like reed/job serve etc?

Even a run of the mill office admin job in London is like well over £20k where as up in Leeds it would be nearer £12 - 14k if that.
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That because the cost of living is lower up there.
 
Bread and water combined with 23 hours of isolation. Make prison such a terrible place to go to that it puts people off doing the crime in case they get caught.

In the course of my work I've been in several prisons and it's the low security one that shocks most. Seventeen to a dorm and the door is locked at 7pm and not opened again until 6am. Sod being fresh meat in there.
 
Strife212 said:
Genuine question, who are these people?

Benefits are available if you're not working (Not much but housing + jobseekers is enough?) and minimum wage is enough to provide the basics if you are working.
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Come to Cornwall, meet the locals. You'll find plenty -- and I mean plenty -- of people down here who barely make enough to pay their rent and have 3 meals a day.

It's not rare -- not even uncommon -- down here.
 
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