Priti Stick.

It seems harsh to sack someone for doing something that they were unaware of and for changing their behaviour after being made aware of it.

I would like to think that if I were in a situation where my behaviour was unintentionally hurting anyone, I was told about it and then changed my behaviour I would keep my job, in the same way that I would not sack any of my employees in the same situation.

She is a minister, she has broken the code, and as such she should not have a job left.

It's also lol worthy how Torries are saying in this case it's ok to say sorry and keep you job, but they were first to say Corbyn even if/when he said sorry should still pretty much go.

Civil service should just take industrial action now, especially as Austerity 2.0 has just been announced with pay freezes accross the public sector, literally tools down and watch the government and country go to hell in a hand basket.
 
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You've read the report yourself then, maybe you could summarise it for us?

I know the report said the people *felt* they were bullied, and that it wasn't intentional. Feeling you're bullied doesn't mean you actually are, bosses sometimes give people a hard time, it's not always tantamount to bullying though.

By the way, the thread title is blatantly racist and is poking fun at her name. Ironically the type of racist bullying she was probably subjected to in school.

Just the advice that was given by the independent advisor. Patel felt unsupported by the Home Office leadership and it's lack of responsiveness, her frustration manifested itself in the form of shouting and swearing on occasion. Some times it was justified, some times it wasn't.

I wouldn't consider a boss who needs to shout or swear a good leader or fit for the position, let alone an MP.
 
Why? A code means sod all. It's a bit like convention and tradition. In the grand scheme of things, it mean nothing until there is a legal obligation.

you break company codes at work and you lose your job if they are deemed serious enough, this is no different. People who support her / her politics are just thinking it's different because that helps to support their own views.
 
Why? A code means sod all. It's a bit like convention and tradition. In the grand scheme of things, it mean nothing until there is a legal obligation.

From the BBC:
  • Ministers are normally expected to resign if they are found to have broken the code
  • There had not previously been any known cases of a minister staying in post following a breach

Who doesnt, shes lovely.

Horrible person, epitome of bad vibes, but very tidy.
 
From the BBC:
  • Ministers are normally expected to resign if they are found to have broken the code
  • There had not previously been any known cases of a minister staying in post following a breach



Horrible person, epitome of bad vibes, but very tidy.

Expected to. So? plenty of people do things that are unexpected. Either make it enforceable or don't complain when someone doesn't do it. Having unwritten or unenforceable codes just opens the system up to challenges, and mostly by unscrupulous people. ;)
 
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We aren't talking about a random company's policy here though, degenerate government behaviour has consequences to the moral fabric of society. Ideally, elected officials should be self-critical, but I guess that's a fantasy.

It's probably hopeless to envisage Labour acting on this, but it could well win them a fair number of votes if they promise to bring order to parliament through enforceable punishment for acts of disrepute against the office and consequently, their electors.
 
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you break company codes at work and you lose your job if they are deemed serious enough, this is no different. People who support her / her politics are just thinking it's different because that helps to support their own views.

No we actually voted for her because we want people who will put the civil service in their place, which is to enact the Democratically elected governments policies. If they aren't doing that then you might need to raise your voice.
 
They're all nasty, self obsessed public school egotists who regularly shaft each other at every single opportunity, that's politics, I find it incredible anybody finds that a surprise or is offended?
 
No we actually voted for her because we want people who will put the civil service in their place, which is to enact the Democratically elected governments policies. If they aren't doing that then you might need to raise your voice.
Actually most people expect the Civil service to follow the law and theirjob is specifically to advise the politicians even if that advise is not what the politician wants to hear (in fact that could be argued to be one of the most important things they can do*).
Not the random will of politicians, or a government that tries to bypass the law.

One of the reasons for this is that is means the polticians are kept to some degree honest, and also it helps cut down on the number of huge mistakes that were easily preventable - civil servants spend their entire careers learning how to do their job, what happens when things go wrong (and how to avoid that where possible), and the law in regards to that.
Ministers tend to get dropped into a job where if you're lucky they'll have glanced as a 5 page summary and then start making decisions - you just have to look at the likes of the minister for NI who apparently couldn't be bothered to read the most basic documents about some extremely important parts of his job and expressed surprise when his decisions were not met with a warm welcome when he made elementary school level mistakes.

To be honest I'm amazed she was allowed back into government after her unauthorised and undeclared meetings with members of a foreign government, that's normally taken as a fairly serious thing as in it raises all sorts of questions about your integrity and how safe it is to let you anywhere near sensitive information.

But I can understand exactly why she appeals to some people, who care for more important things than the rule of law, the conventions of government (such as the rules you're expected to follow as a member of it), and so on.


*Otherwise you a situation where the government is making terrible decisions because people are too scared to tell them that their idea won't work how they want it to (and the reasons, preferably with suggestions on how to make it work), or is illegal.
 
^ This.

We civil servants hold ourselves to a very high standard (at least we do in the part I work in).
I think too many people confuse civil servants with politicians. They are completely different from the codes in place to the pay rises (we don't get them as you may have seen from the news)
 
To be honest I'm amazed she was allowed back into government after her unauthorised and undeclared meetings with members of a foreign government, that's normally taken as a fairly serious thing as in it raises all sorts of questions about your integrity and how safe it is to let you anywhere near sensitive information.
This x1000. I've never understood why she has been allowed anywhere near government.
 
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