Pro Evolution Soccer (PES) 2016 Thread

[davewhite04]

So how is this, didnt like the demo much but Fifa 15 is fairly rubbish so far.

Master League has had a fantastic overhaul. The player animation is superb, the gameplay is leagues ahead of Fifa 15 at least.

2000+ photorealistic players, 10000+ real players, 400+ teams.

The demo I found okay, but obviously you get the meat of the game when you buy it...

Review

Back to the master league...

 

[davewhite04]

Animation was terrible in the demo? Especially the disjointed running.

Might give it a go.

What spec you running? Maybe you can change some video settings on the full game to sort this out, in fact you can on the deom iirc. I'm using a 4k 60hz monitor running this at 2k and it is brilliant. I would imagine it would be on standard specs, a bit baffled.

 

[davewhite04]

After 25 hours or so of play, this statement sums things up perfectly.

In an effort to 'appear' more realistic, PES 2016 takes an unprecedented level of control away from the player, especially with collisions which are almost totally decided upon by the AI. Mashing buttons like crazy trying to retain possession, only to have the AI take control away from the player and bend the game in this way or that, just isn't fun. Hollow satisfaction when the AI works in your favour, utterly infuriating when it works against you.

I have binned the game already. Not quite a record, as I binned 2014 after just a few games, but as Pro Evo games go, this has went out the window for me pretty fast.

25+ hours later and I still think it's the best Football game I've played, I think IGN with the 9.5 score got it pretty much spot on.

 

[davewhite04]

After 25 hours or so of play, this statement sums things up perfectly.

In an effort to 'appear' more realistic, PES 2016 takes an unprecedented level of control away from the player, especially with collisions which are almost totally decided upon by the AI. Mashing buttons like crazy trying to retain possession, only to have the AI take control away from the player and bend the game in this way or that, just isn't fun. Hollow satisfaction when the AI works in your favour, utterly infuriating when it works against you.

I have binned the game already. Not quite a record, as I binned 2014 after just a few games, but as Pro Evo games go, this has went out the window for me pretty fast.

You have to remember each player on the pitch has different stats that effect the outcome of being able to retain possession for example.

 

[davewhite04]

Yes. Stats dictate the outcome of the all the collisions and 50/50s, which the AI imposes on the flow of the game at every opportunity.

Great, so where do I come in?

Timing and/or using the right players. Some players like Messi are just hit and miss they're that good, Hazard is incredible in this game. Show them onto their weaker foot(if they have one), and try to hussle them enough so they have to pass.

 

[davewhite04]

Enjoying ML a bit better now i've bumped it up to Top Player and done all the BPL transfers. Bit annoying when the CPU does things like decide players like Harry Kane should be on the bench because another player has 1 single point higher OVR though.

There is a setting that you can change so the cpu doesn't select the team based on form or whatever.

 

[davewhite04]

Using the right players, aka Stat Abuse.

That is precisely why the game sucks horses balls. The level of influence that stats have over procedings this year is greater than ever before. Apologists for this lameness state that it is all about timing. The reality is, it is only about timing if the AI allows you the opportunity in the first place to make that 'well timed' frantic button mash (after the AI has missteered an easy pass in order to impose yet another 'collision' on the match, the outcome of which the AI totally determines).

In PES 2016, the stats and/or the AI scripting play every bit as much of a role in the outcome of the match as the gamer does......and when you realise that, it is quite disgusting.

It seems to me like Konami (and EA) are moving more and more towards turning their games into stat based pay to win RPGs, because if they can crack that nut, and have kids maxing out their parents credit cards buying player packs for their myClub or FUT, then they are laughing all the way to the bank. That in my view is what is happening, and the more it does happen, the more ridiculous the game will become in terms of offering the veneer of a 'contest of wits and skill'.

Stat Abuse? You mean realism? You obviously don't get it so get a refund instead of posting nonsense.

EDIT: Master League doesn't cost a penny and is by far the best way to play this game for me.

 

[davewhite04]

Erm....can I remind you that it is meant to be a 'game', played by two 'humans', against 'each other'.

What is 'realistic' about the game not letting me move a player in front of a ball, because the stats of the player he is up against dictate that this just cannot happen or not executing a command, because the stats dictate that the player he is up against is stronger and should therefore bully my man off the ball? Is it 'realistic' that I can't make a simple pass into the centre of the pitch without the AI getting up to all manner of tricks in order to impose yet frigging more collisions on the game, at which point, the stats take over the procedings?

But there are two types of Pro Evo player. Competitive players that generally play against intelligent human opposition, and those who like to sit fantasising about taking their football team to league and Euro glory in the ML, you are clearly in the latter camp, so for you, the game won't seem like such a pile of Scheiß. But for me, and a whole bunch of others who are posting on Pro Evo sites, it is just that.

I have uninstalled the game, and deleted my back up.....

P.S. and don't tell me what to do you little female sexual organ.

Good for you, now you can go away and complain about the weapons in Call of Duty.

 

[davewhite04]

Am a BF4 man.

That's something we have in common

 

[davewhite04]

Just got this and played a couple of games. Wasn't anything overly impressing and I felt it very similar to PES2015. As others have commented the fact they're using last seasons teams is very annoying.

Had about 5 shots on target in my first game and there wasn't one 'comfortable' save for the goalkeeper. I wouldn't go so far as to say they may as well not be in the goal but when they did block a shot it was just getting a limb in the way and a ball ricocheting off.

I think half the problem is the positioning of the defenders, but my defenders are low rank so it's understandable. I too think the GK could be better, but again my keeper is like level 60.

 

[davewhite04]

Stadium pack out today https://www.facebook.com/estarlensilvaedit/posts/883977401687267

Fingers crossed the PTE patch is today or tomorrow too.

Thanks for the heads up