Projector vs large TV - Bang for buck

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So iv been considering a 'budget projector' and a 92" fixed frame screen. My calculations put total cost at approx £500+£280+£100 install = £880.

But a budget projector is not 4K, nor does it seem to give you a particulary crips picture as large TV's do.

My father believes we can get ourselves a decent 72" LCD 4K for around £2000ish. His opinion is that though the projector set up is much cheaper and a bit bigger the 72" TV would give us a far superior imagine.

If we were to buy a projector that provides a 4k quality imagine similar to the tv it would cost much much more.

Which brings me to my question. Why do people buy projectors and screens when you seem to get a far better quality imagine from spending a little more on a 4K TV?
 
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If we were to buy a projector that provides a 4k quality imagine similar to the tv it would cost much much more.

Which brings me to my question. Why do people buy projectors and screens when you seem to get a far better quality imagine from spending a little more on a 4K TV?

A good 4k HDR projector costs around £2000 so its not much, much more then a 4K 72" TV. As long as you have a suitable room a 4k HDR projector should provide a better image then a 4k 72” LCD. There is also a very large difference in screen footprint between 72” and 92”.

The other thing about the projector setup is the screen and mount are a one off cost. Next upgrade cycle you just unclip the projector and clip in a new one which is just the same as unclipping a TV from a wall mount. Do you even need a projector screen? Depending on wall colour and smoothness you can just project onto the wall then it’s a basic wall when not in use. Or you can get projector paint and put a wood or alternative frame around the paint for under £100 which both looks as good as and works as well as a frame when done neatly. After testing lots of screens out I just project onto walls.
 
I must have been out of the game for a while now. 4K HDR projectors for £2k? Where? I paid near £2k for my 1080p just 2 years ago or so. And that was reasonable then (IMO).

As far as TV vs PJ goes, I don't consider my PJ a replacement for a TV. There is something epic about watching a movie, or sport, or gaming on a PJ for sure. It doesn't work so well with news, or bake off, or soaps. I don't watch much of that content right enough, but even the likes of Suits and that, well, the PJ is just too much real estate for that.

What I would do, if I had a potential for a £2k budget, is get your "budget" projector + screen (pull down, or similar), and spend the rest on as good a picture quality TV you can with the rest. Sure, you will only get 1080p on the PJ, but that's your original plan anyway. But what you will get is the best bang per buck for all content. A decent 4k TV for general viewing, and the big screen for "events".

If your screen is pull down, and you wall mount your TV, then the PJ install wont get in the way of the TV. I'm lucky in that I have a dedicated PJ room, but when I upgrade my PJ, I will just get an electric screen for the lounge, and install the old PJ there.
 
I must have been out of the game for a while now. 4K HDR projectors for £2k? Where? I paid near £2k for my 1080p just 2 years ago or so. And that was reasonable then (IMO).

As far as TV vs PJ goes, I don't consider my PJ a replacement for a TV. There is something epic about watching a movie, or sport, or gaming on a PJ for sure. It doesn't work so well with news, or bake off, or soaps. I don't watch much of that content right enough, but even the likes of Suits and that, well, the PJ is just too much real estate for that.

What I would do, if I had a potential for a £2k budget, is get your "budget" projector + screen (pull down, or similar), and spend the rest on as good a picture quality TV you can with the rest. Sure, you will only get 1080p on the PJ, but that's your original plan anyway. But what you will get is the best bang per buck for all content. A decent 4k TV for general viewing, and the big screen for "events".

If your screen is pull down, and you wall mount your TV, then the PJ install wont get in the way of the TV. I'm lucky in that I have a dedicated PJ room, but when I upgrade my PJ, I will just get an electric screen for the lounge, and install the old PJ there.
Not sure I can link to the projector as it’s a competitor website. If you shop around you can get a Optoma UHD550X projector which is 4k, HDR for £2000 or less if you get lucky with an offer.
£2k for a 1080p projector 2 years ago sounds like a massive amount, it must have had some fancy features. I paid £549 for 1080p projector 3 years ago are you sure it wasn't more then 2 years ago?
 
As said above a projector isn't really a replacement for a TV. Theyre not very good in the summer when you need very dark conditions to get the best image quality out of it and they throw out a lot of heat (not great in summer either). But for movie watching coupled with a good surround sound system they cant be beat. Something like 'the conjuring' sat in the dark with the sound up is a fantastic experience.
Do you have a surround system already? If it was my money and £2000 was the budget I'd spent £1200 on a decent 4k 55" and get a projector to break out for movies
 
Not sure I can link to the projector as it’s a competitor website. If you shop around you can get a Optoma UHD550X projector which is 4k, HDR for £2000 or less if you get lucky with an offer.
£2k for a 1080p projector 2 years ago sounds like a massive amount, it must have had some fancy features. I paid £549 for 1080p projector 3 years ago are you sure it wasn't more then 2 years ago?

I did get Demos of various projectors in various price ranges before buying my Sony HW40ES, including some Optoma projectors (my last PJ before the Sony was a Optoma). But, I found the picture on the Sony, especially with fast paced stuff like the F1 demo, just blew everything else away, well, until you started considerably upping the budget again. My budget was originally £1k for the projector (but was willing to look at the £500-600 range in case they were good enough), but did stretch it after spending time in the demo room with them, and do not regret it one bit. Even now, 2 years later, I'm still gobsmacked by the picture quality.

Based on that, I would hazard you actually need to spend £4k minimum just now (just had a quick look around) for an actually have decent quality 4k HDR projector, rather than an entry level 4k HDR projector you are mentioning.

That said, without actually reviewing it myself, I could be wrong.

BUT, I did actually manage to find a review for that Optoma, and it really doesn't look great (please note, it is translated from a French review):

All this shows a poor quality optical block, unlike the BenQ W11000 / X12000 and Acer V9800 which are equipped with a glass optics suitable for the reproduction of UHD and 4K images. Optoma has equipped its models with a 1080p optical block that impairs image accuracy, uniformity and accuracy. To compensate, it will be necessary to play with the increase of the sharpness thanks to the video processing "super details ".
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More importantly, to reduce costs the optics implemented in the 5 new models is not suitable for the return of a 4K image, resulting in inconsistencies and low contrast. In these conditions and despite this attempt to allow access to a 4K or UHD image to the greatest number, we can only recommend that you wait for more efficient models where the quality of optical blocks will not be neglected in order to benefit the full precision of a 4K image

Another negative point to emphasize that also applies to the equivalent models of ACER: it is sad to note that HDR compatibility is not accompanied by an extended gamut close to DCI-P3 or REC2020; the ACER H7850 / V7850 , OPTOMA UHD550X/ UHD60 and UHD65 only slightly exceed the Rec709. Under these conditions, as well stay on HDTV signals since part of the advantage of an Ultra High Definition signal can never be displayed by these models.

In short, rather than the rush to get out of 4K models, we consumers would prefer to have more advanced devices, able to display all the features and benefits of an HDR image. Fans of sustainability and longevity, go your way, you will not be satisfied with this Optoma UHD550X.

As I thought, £2k isn't really enough to get a decent UHD projector. But then I guess it depends on what your looking for. I wouldn't want to jump on 4k with a budget 65" TV for £500 either, as I do watch a lot of content on my displays so appreciate image quality, as well as the displays ability to deal with fast-paced action sequences (or sport and such). But for others, that may not be the case.

So I agree with above really. £1200 on a good 55" 4k TV, and then try to work the best PJ you can into the remaining budget. Try to demo the projectors if you can, and TV's too, preferably in a demo room and not on a shop floor. I found big enough differences between projectors costing £500, £1000 & £2000 to push my budget to the better one. That said, you may not notice so much of a difference yourself, certainly between a £500 and £1000 model. Certainly it was only with certain types of content I was truly blown away in the demo room, but as that content type was important to me, and everything else was noticeably better, maybe just not quite game changing better anyway, I made the choice to go to town.
 
As said above a projector isn't really a replacement for a TV. Theyre not very good in the summer when you need very dark conditions to get the best image quality out of it and they throw out a lot of heat (not great in summer either). But for movie watching coupled with a good surround sound system they cant be beat. Something like 'the conjuring' sat in the dark with the sound up is a fantastic experience.
Do you have a surround system already? If it was my money and £2000 was the budget I'd spent £1200 on a decent 4k 55" and get a projector to break out for movies
Yes we do have a surround sound system but it’s getting on a bit and due for an upgrade. Personally we have no problem with the projector as the only display and use it instead of a TV. I know you can get projectors double or triple of price of what I use, but I never noticed an improvement or not enough of an improvement to justify the price. The sweat spot to me seems to be £500 for 1080p and £2000 to £3000 for 4k, HDR. The super high end ones are just not worth the money.


I have heard people say Optima do not have the best blacks but I never noticed a problem myself. From what I have seen the UHD550/UHD60 are practically the same projector. For £3000 the UHD65 is pretty good if the UHD550/UHD60 are to low.
 
I have heard people say Optima do not have the best blacks but I never noticed a problem myself. From what I have seen the UHD550/UHD60 are practically the same projector. For £3000 the UHD65 is pretty good if the UHD550/UHD60 are to low.

I'd say its a compromise - especially calibrated Optoma have a nice range of colours - some other projectors have better blacks but come at the expense of detail in saturated colours. Pair with a high contrast grey screen and the Optoma do very well.

In general I wouldn't choose a projector for every day viewing - a TV is much better for that - but nothing touches a projector for that movie experience.
 
£500 for a 1080p and £2-3k for 4k is budget. What you're calling "super high end" (£1-2k for 1080p and £3-4k for 4k) is more mid range. High end 4k projectors are in the £8-10k range for example.

There's a real lack of true 4k projectors at the moment, and those that are any good are in the £4-10k range (mostly Sony). You can get budget ones, sure, but a decent one for £2k? Not really, unless you get lucky on a used one.
 
There's a real lack of true 4k projectors at the moment, and those that are any good are in the £4-10k range (mostly Sony). You can get budget ones, sure, but a decent one for £2k? Not really, unless you get lucky on a used one.

Depends what you are looking for - Optoma do a line of 1080p and 4K projectors at those price points - £500 and £2K which have great image quality but you sacrifice on feature set such as more limited zoom or physical image shift, etc. or the case of the UHD550X where they've cheaped out a bit on the case to spend the money on the actual projection hardware and does need a bit of manual setting up and calibration plus attention to the screen used to get the best results compared to the higher price offerings - I'm not entirely convinced on that one though as you pretty much need to spend the difference on a screen etc. to the next model up which does better out the box to get the best results.

EDIT: I'd be more fussy in a larger venue type setting, etc. but most of these will do fine within a home cinema environment if you spend a little time getting everything setup just right.
 
Image quality was the main gripe in that review I saw for the 4K projector, so it doesn't look to be the case that your only missing some features.

As said, £2k on a 4k projector is really budget territory. In which case, the OP would likely be better looking at something like a £1200 TV and a budget 1080p projector. That way he should get a great picture for day to day TV duties, and a good enough picture for his big screen watching.

The What HiFi 2017 winners were recently announced, where a £580 Epson won the best projector under £1000: https://www.whathifi.com/epson/eh-tw5350/review

That's where my money would most likely go if I was looking for a budget projector. I certainly wouldn't be blowing £2k on a budget offering. Stretch that £2k by a couple hundred quid and get the 55" TV winner too, the LG B7: https://www.whathifi.com/lg/oled55b7v/review

Then the OP would have a great all round set-up. He wouldn't really need a TV much bigger, as the projector would cover the need for a bigger screen when required, so could focus more on PQ.
 
£500 for a 1080p and £2-3k for 4k is budget. What you're calling "super high end" (£1-2k for 1080p and £3-4k for 4k) is more mid range. High end 4k projectors are in the £8-10k range for example.

There's a real lack of true 4k projectors at the moment, and those that are any good are in the £4-10k range (mostly Sony). You can get budget ones, sure, but a decent one for £2k? Not really, unless you get lucky on a used one.
The UHD65 won best projector of the year 2017 winner from what HI*FI and the UHD550/UHD60 is not that far behind it. At £3000 for a UHD65 there I no need to spend £5 to 10k on a projector for home use and it is a true 4k projector in that all the 4k pixels are displayed on screen so its super sharp and matchs the image detail of fully native 4K chips.

https://www.whathifi.com/awards/2017/projectors

It might be a budget projector but the Image quality is fantastic and it even beats a lot of the £8+ projectors. Its shaper for a start as it displays all the 4k pixels on screen unlike a lot of those £8k+ projectors which are fake 4k.
 
Its shaper for a start as it displays all the 4k pixels on screen unlike a lot of those £8k+ projectors which are fake 4k.

As opposed to the UHD65?

This chip isn’t native 4K, but rather has a resolution of 4.15m pixels – half that of Ultra HD.

However, through a form of pixel shifting, which rapidly fires two lower-resolution images at the screen, it produces a 4K image – or at least a picture manufacturers can claim to be 4K.

Taken from the What HiFi review. And even then, UHD isn't true 4k either, rather 2160p, although that difference is tiny compared to the fact that the UHD65 is HALF that of UHD. So more like 2K.

Regardless, you are correct, the UHD65 did win best projector 2017 despite this. But equally, it is a full 50% more expensive than the budget £2k projector you suggested, at £3k. And still isn't actually 4k.

If you want a true 4k picture, you would probably, realistically, need to double THAT budget, maybe more, for an actually good 4k projector. Personally, I'll be waiting (years no doubt), until something like the Sony VPL-VW550ES comes down in price enough to be affordable, at least by my standards.
 
The op hasn't said if they have any external sound and if not a projector is a waste of time.
And to the op's original question. For me scale of image is more appreciated than absolute image quality, I find 1080p perfectly acceptable on a projector and in all honesty I'd get a better picture tweaking my room than going 4k and still having to much light in the room with cream walls.
I couldn't imagine it being my day to day screen as when it's light out I don't want to sit in the dark but for movie viewing on a Friday or Saturday night I could never go back.
Mine cost £225 s/h optima hd25 and is the best money I've spent.
Would love to try the Sony hw40es
 
As opposed to the UHD65?



Taken from the What HiFi review. And even then, UHD isn't true 4k either, rather 2160p, although that difference is tiny compared to the fact that the UHD65 is HALF that of UHD. So more like 2K.

Regardless, you are correct, the UHD65 did win best projector 2017 despite this. But equally, it is a full 50% more expensive than the budget £2k projector you suggested, at £3k. And still isn't actually 4k.

If you want a true 4k picture, you would probably, realistically, need to double THAT budget, maybe more, for an actually good 4k projector. Personally, I'll be waiting (years no doubt), until something like the Sony VPL-VW550ES comes down in price enough to be affordable, at least by my standards.

The fact those projectors use a trick of doubling up on pixel output due to the high switching speed seems to confound a lot of people who don't understand why when using the same hardware it has lower output at the same level heh.

The problem with those projectors is that out the box and especially if you don't understand them in detail the results are very average but there is a lot of potential there when you get the setup right - again definitely not ideal for a venue type setting especially if you don't have a lot of control over light levels but in a home cinema setting where you have full control over the setup the results aren't bad at all for the price.

Funny enough, I went from my Optoma HD65 to the Sony HW40ES, and haven't regretted the move one single bit.

Not sure they'd work on the HD65 but I stuck these settings on the HD70 along with upgrading the screen and it transformed the image quality especially skin tones which on both the 65 and 70 tend to be a bit yellow/orange and banded or a weird pale pink and blown saturation out the box.

contrast: 2
bright: 0
sharp: 1
brilliant color: 4
true vivid: 3
color temp: 1
red bias: -14
green bias: -12
blue bias: -13
image AI: off (personal preference)
red gain: 6
green gain: 5
blue gain: 6

EDIT: While I'll be upgrading soon as there is now more "4K" or at least closer to true 1080p content to justify it despite trying a lot of projectors I keep coming back to my HD70 nothing is enough of an improvement on it - especially as the mastering on a lot of content barely justifies 1080p to justify the money on something else - the bulb is 10 years old now and rolled over the counter though still going strong just takes a bit longer to warm up but I doubt it will last much longer.
 
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Taken from the What HiFi review. And even then, UHD isn't true 4k either, rather 2160p, although that difference is tiny compared to the fact that the UHD65 is HALF that of UHD. So more like 2K.
If you want a true 4k picture, you would probably, realistically, need to double THAT budget, maybe more, for an actually good 4k projector. Personally, I'll be waiting (years no doubt), until something like the Sony VPL-VW550ES comes down in price enough to be affordable, at least by my standards.
No its not 2k its 4k as all 8 ish million pixels in a 4K image are on the screen. It not fake 4k where half the pixels are blurred or look bad. If you run any of the 3 Optima UHD projectors at 4k next to a VPL-VW365ES then the UHD is just as sharp with the full 4k pixels displayed. The VPL-VW365ES has a tiny bit better contrast and colours but most people wouldn’t notice.

You don’t need to double or triple that budget for true 4k. A £2k Optima will display as many pixels as a £8k VPL-VW365ES
 
The UHD65 won best projector of the year 2017 winner from what HI*FI and the UHD550/UHD60 is not that far behind it. At £3000 for a UHD65 there I no need to spend £5 to 10k on a projector for home use and it is a true 4k projector in that all the 4k pixels are displayed on screen so its super sharp and matchs the image detail of fully native 4K chips.

https://www.whathifi.com/awards/2017/projectors

It might be a budget projector but the Image quality is fantastic and it even beats a lot of the £8+ projectors. Its shaper for a start as it displays all the 4k pixels on screen unlike a lot of those £8k+ projectors which are fake 4k.

As xs2man pointed out, you’ve fallen into the “when is a “4K” projector not 4K” trap. They may be a bit better than 1080p but they’re not 4K. And even then it’s still not far off the mid range price I put in.

So I stand by my point. Proper 4K projectors are thin on the ground, and those that are available are generally expensive if they’re actually any good.

I looked into this before I bought my B7 and short of spending close to 5 figures there really isn’t a decent option for 4K projectors at the moment.

So I’d agree with the others, a 55” OLED and a budget 1080p projectors is probably the best bet. Or just remove the hassle and get a 65” OLED or bigger LCD and use that for everything.

*obviously when I say 4K I mean UHD or 4K.
 
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