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Hagar said:
When I first answered a phone at work, a few decades back i answered to state my surname as 'Smith' not Andrew Smith or Mr. Smith, just Smith. Eventually I adopted a more laid back approach answering to Andy Smith. Maybe it was the times as at school we were always addressed without pronouns, just as Smith.

Then again all the TV shows were like Taggart and Morse.

BTW my name is not actually Smith.
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Your first name isn't Andy either and the telephone was actually a block of wood?
 
Let's just ditch gendered pronouns.

English used to have grammatical gender but we ditched that.
 
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adidan said:
Let's just ditch gendered pronouns.

English used to have grammatical gender but we ditched that.
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Its quite useful. If someone says "go and talk to Sam in accounts, shes on the 1st floor" you know that Sam is a woman. Assigning gender to objects isn't useful, assigning them to people is.

Nasher said:
It's like LARP has entered real life.

It's ridiculous that they want to push this stuff for "freedom" reasons, yet want to remove everyone else's right to say lol nope.
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This is how these people work and the genuinely don't see any contradiction in this because "they are right" and that absolves you of the requirements to not be a hypocritical *******. They see no issue with wishing people dead for playing a video game linked to an author they don't like.

The most ridiculous argument is the current "actions have consequences" and the strange idea that when someone is "cancelled" its not because of massive pressure or fear of huge backlash, its simply because a business has "done the right thing". Its ********. Companies are about as amoral as they come and couldn't care less about your politics. They care about them as much as it might negatively affect their business.

Freedom of speech is the right to say (within fairly lax boundaries) what you like. If I don't like what someone says I can talk to them, ignore them or not associate with them. I wouldn't in a million years think to try and ruin their life or their company or hurt their family.

There just doesn't seem to be much kindness from far too many people at the extreme ends of any spectrum, left or right and yet people laud the extreme left for some reason. Both ends are nasty, hateful and full of people who are consumed by ridiculous issues and ideas.

Personally I think there are some people who are genuinely in the wrong bodies and I think there are a lot of people who just love the attention, love the fight and it makes them feel special. I have no issue with trans people but I think that it is going to be a never ending battle for too many of them because it will never be enough. If someone looks at them funny, doesn't look them dead in the eyes and say "trans women are the same as biological women" then there will be problems.
 
At my work you can tell who has added their pro nouns to wave the rainbow flag, who is doing it to virtue signal and who has been pressurised by their manager.. lol
 
fez said:
Its quite useful. If someone says "go and talk to Sam in accounts, shes on the 1st floor" you know that Sam is a woman. Assigning gender to objects isn't useful, assigning them to people is.
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Not sure keeping them because it's useful identifying Sams is swaying me fully tbh.
 
lemonkettaz said:
Imagine your gender being one of your personal highlights you would like to publicise....
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I don't think you quite get it. It's sexuality as subculture. You know how in the '80s you had punks and goths and in the '90s you had emos etc? Gender identities are the subcultures for youth of the 2020s. It's about a sense of belonging and self-discovery.

If one is looking down at them and saying, "agh that's ridiculous we never did that in MY day", you're no different from people born in the '30s and '40s looking down on punks and saying, "what a bunch of freaks, that's not real music! And look how they dress! How absurd!"

Congratulations, you're officially old.
 
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Lysander said:
I don't think you quite get it. It's sexuality as subculture. You know how in the '80s you had punks and goths and in the '90s you had emos etc? Gender identities are the subcultures for youth of the 2020s. It's about a sense of belonging and self-discovery.

If one is looking down at them and saying, "agh that's ridiculous we never did that in MY day", you're no different from people born in the '30s and '40s looking down on punks and saying, "what a bunch of freaks, that's not real music! And look how they dress! How absurd!"

Congratulations, you're officially old.
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They're completely different. None of those subcultures were pretending to be something they aren't and getting angry when people didn't go along with their lie.
 
Lysander said:
I don't think you quite get it. It's sexuality as subculture. You know how in the 80s you had punks and goths and in the 90s you had emos etc? Gender identities are the subcultures for youth of the 2020s. It's about a sense of belonging and self-discovery.
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Yeah but those other things were almost always at least partially anti establishment. I understand where you're coming from but when we have the police painting their cars with pride flags I think the comparison is a bit borky.

They were also very exclusive and revelled in being different, no punk ever tried to get someone cancelled for not recognising the validity of their clothes or hairstyle.
 
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