Protect and Serve . . . yeah right !

spoffle said:
No, you would have stepped backwards so that he couldn't continue to take your gun whilst he was on the floor flailing about.

You wouldn't have shot him, no one else would have been injured and they didn't have to pull their guns out and fire at him.

There really wasn't any need for 5 officers to be brawling with the guy, and the speed of which the shots were taken demonstrates the intent to kill, not to wound.
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Because they are not mentally equipped to deal with the situation and they panic.
If they had the required training they would be able to handle these situations a lot better.

all cops should not have guns and a lot of people shouldn't be cops in the first place
 
arknor said:
It's no surprise it's nearly always "black" people committing the crimes and having run ins with the law.

It's because they are poor, not because they are black
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Land of opportunity lol, living the american dream
I heard it was 150k vs 11k in the newest figures but can't find a graph or chart for it
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Going past all these stats and into the deeper roots of the issue, there is a certain problem within the social norms of Black people which has become part of the youth culture, which is a huge problem and is why large parts of black youths underachieve too. It's the same thing in UK.
 
lemonade said:
Going past all these stats and into the deeper roots of the issue, there is a certain problem within the social norms of Black people which has become part of the youth culture, which is a huge problem and is why large parts of black youths underachieve too. It's the same thing in UK.
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In the UK, the most underachieving group is that of poor whites. Poverty and lack of familial support ("support" in a broad sense) are cross-generational problems which cut off entire groups of society, regardless of race.

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Why are poor whites such underachievers, even compared with the poor of other races? Probably something to do with role models. As a poor white youth, what do you see above you - unrelatable white people from relatively advantaged backgrounds. For black people in the UK, there's no history of a black middle class (unlike USA, where there is a sizeable one), so generally if you see a black person who's "made it" (I'm not talking about "fame" here, just success), their background is relatable. Poverty is still the over-riding effect, though.
 
If you're poor you don't get anywhere near the same opportunities to achieve.
Where I grew up the secondary school had almost everyone doing retail and factory work for their work experience week.

It seemed like that was all we were expected to achieve and half the teachers had worse attendance records that you would expect the students to have.

the school eventually got closed down the year after I left for failing, it's since changed it's name three times
If you're born in a poor area you are pretty much ******

I imagine it's even worse in America since some of their poor areas are terrible

My parent's could have done more, got me into a better school etc but my dad worked continental shifts and my mum worked 2 jobs so I don't really blame them.
Going to uni didn't even occur to anyone I knew like it was never an option, I think only a handful of people even went to college.

living in Newcastle is like an entirely different world, almost everyone seems to go to UNI and have high ambitions
 
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McGray said:
Do you struggle day to day?
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The officers gun, not his own personal gun.

If you haven't read the report then perhaps you should before commenting any further as you seem to be struggling to read the report in the article.
 
arknor said:
It's what happens when you give people guns who shouldn't have them.

check this out
Bullets Counted In Police Shooting Of Fleeing Man

Won't embed since it contains a swear word from one of the guys discussing the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYYOT0Uk0eA

You know when someone does something and your natural reaction is to pause or flinch ? when someone has a gun you know what happens.

these people aren't properly trained for this clearly, I hope we don't end up with loads of police in the UK getting guns because stuff like this is inevitable without proper training.

people are police who clearly are not up to the job people who are terrified of conflict and can't handle the pressure of maybe getting into a fight
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17 bullets fired, 5 or 6 hitting the mark at that range is pretty terrible. Lack of training or simply incompetent? I guess we'll never know once the police union gets involved.
 
Rossi~ said:
Homeless guy with mental disability is resisting arrest and gets shot, he happens to be black, everyone shouts racist.

Looks like another popcorn moment.
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Resisting arrest with numerous officers around him? Is there the death penalty for resisting arrest in America?
Gun happy officers.

They have pepper sprays.
They outnumbered the guy.

Just another example of the American racist attitude.
 
arknor said:
If you're poor you don't get anywhere near the same opportunities to achieve.
Where I grew up the secondary school had almost everyone doing retail and factory work for their work experience week.

It seemed like that was all we were expected to achieve and half the teachers had worse attendance records that you would expect the students to have.

the school eventually got closed down the year after I left for failing, it's since changed it's name three times
If you're born in a poor area you are pretty much ******

I imagine it's even worse in America since some of their poor areas are terrible

My parent's could have done more, got me into a better school etc but my dad worked continental shifts and my mum worked 2 jobs so I don't really blame them.
Going to uni didn't even occur to anyone I knew like it was never an option, I think only a handful of people even went to college.

living in Newcastle is like an entirely different world, almost everyone seems to go to UNI and have high ambitions
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You see whilst your point has merit I don't see that as an excuse. I come from a poor background, grew up and live in a poor deprived area, went to poop schools etc, but turned out reasonably successful because I made the most of the opportunities I got and had ambitions. Some of my mates from school went the other, they lived like they were too cool to learn and get an education and more interested in their social status, some of them are in prison now.

It's the same thing I see in Black community, once the kids go to secondary school, they are more interested in having the latest trainers and idoling rappers and imitating the lifestyle and they come out of school with nothing. There are plenty of opportunities if you seek them and work hard.
 
Schools in and around Bulwell have historically been among the worst-performing in the UK. The entire Bulwell area was designated an "Education Action Zone" in 1999, as part of a high-profile scheme aimed at addressing the problems. Standards have risen slightly since then, but certain major deficiencies persist.
The North Nottingham region has the lowest level of students progressing to higher education in the UK, and the 2006-7 league tables for secondary education showed Nottingham's schools to be second-worst achieving in the country.
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In 1996, 14 inspectors from Ofsted, the independent school inspections agency, visited the school in Bulwell. A report was then written up by one of them, Andrew Lyons. 'Despite valiant efforts by the staff,' Lyons noted, 'the school fails to provide a continuous learning experience to pupils in a manner that enables them to have a full access to their legal entitlement, the national curriculum.' Lyons observed that the number of pupils achieving 5 A-C grade passes in GCSEs was only 8% (the national average is 41%); a quarter of the pupils were leaving without any qualifications. He pointed to poor attendance among the pupils; he alluded to staff absenteeism, a high exclusion rate, poor discipline, emotionally troubled pupils and a low level of parental interest in school affairs.
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I see it as an excuse.
government failed to provide me with the education I was legally entitled to as stated by an Ofsted inspector.

Almost any other secondary school and I would certainly had a much better start in life

I think I left in 1998 which was just before the government finally sacked everyone and reopened the school under a new name.
the only member of staff to keep their job was a single dinner lady.

where I lived was considered a ghetto in news paper articles so I'm guessing it's one of the few places in the UK that's in any way comparable to the poorest areas of america
 
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I don't get the whole "but they were UNARMED" thing.

Okay so you might not have a firearm, but you could have been armed with other things. A knife. A rock. Your fists.

If you give a gun to someone who doesn't have a clue what they're doing (me), and you have someone who's pretty good in a fight, the 'armed' person is gonna lose to the 'unarmed' person.
 
lemonade said:
You see whilst your point has merit I don't see that as an excuse. I come from a poor background, grew up and live in a poor deprived area, went to poop schools etc, but turned out reasonably successful because I made the most of the opportunities I got and had ambitions. Some of my mates from school went the other, they lived like they were too cool to learn and get an education and more interested in their social status, some of them are in prison now.

It's the same thing I see in Black community, once the kids go to secondary school, they are more interested in having the latest trainers and idoling rappers and imitating the lifestyle and they come out of school with nothing. There are plenty of opportunities if you seek them and work hard.
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Seeking opportunity and working hard is an outlier position among poor communities. If we think of it like a normal distribution (which it is), effort and ambition are normally distributed around a lower point in poverty stricken environments. Shifting this distribution can't simply be achieved by pointing at those on the upper tail of the distribution and saying "well, they did it".

cheesyboy said:
This message has been deleted by stulid. Reason: Disrespect to forum moderators will not be tolerated, you have been warned.
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Yes Sir, understood Sir. I will do everything I can to avoid further thread closures and post deletions. I can only apologise for my temerity.
 
arknor said:
I see it as an excuse.
government failed to provide me with the education I was legally entitled to as stated by an Ofsted inspector.

Almost any other secondary school and I would certainly had a much better start in life

I think I left in 1998 which was just before the government finally sacked everyone and reopened the school under a new name.
the only member of staff to keep their job was a single dinner lady.

where I lived was considered a ghetto in news paper articles so I'm guessing it's one of the few places in the UK that's in any way comparable to the poorest areas of america
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You from Jarrow?
 
Westyfield2 said:
If you give a gun to someone who doesn't have a clue what they're doing (me), and you have someone who's pretty good in a fight, the 'armed' person is gonna lose to the 'unarmed' person.
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Situation. If the armed person is clueless about guns they may not spot the safety is on, if the unarmed person starts the situation close enough the armed one may raise their arms or dodge to protect themselves rather than aim and fire.
 
Westyfield2 said:
I don't get the whole "but they were UNARMED" thing.

Okay so you might not have a firearm, but you could have been armed with other things. A knife. A rock. Your fists.

If you give a gun to someone who doesn't have a clue what they're doing (me), and you have someone who's pretty good in a fight, the 'armed' person is gonna lose to the 'unarmed' person.
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What's your point?

There were, what 6, 7 officers, who DO know how to use a gun and DO know how to subdue a person. And he had no weapons.
 
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