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I'd class next gen as not relying simply on higher poly counts for essentialy the same game as a previous version. They need to bring something new to the table.
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Well at least they have come clean at last, wasnt too long ago i posted a statement from a sony offcial catergorically denying the PS3 wasnt delayed for the Japan launch - even though it was obvious it was. If they do a world wide release - hats off to them!
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PS3 Blue Ray disc will not be faster loading than the xbox360:
At 2x Blu-ray (PS3 specs) can read as fast as 12x DVD's (xbox360 spec) minimum read speed. At just
3x Blu-ray is comparable to DVD at 12x; through the first half of the
disc 3x Blu-ray is faster, through the second half of the disc 12x DVD
is faster.
And at only 4x Blu-ray manages to best a 12x DVD's maximum read speed
by 9%.
oh yeah i forgot, we all know how top quality (cost wise) the Blue Ray drive will be in the PS3 compared to the proper models on the street
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this made me laugh
PlayStation 3 to Require HDD for Games
At the Sony's PlayStation business briefing, Kutaragi revealed that a HDD will be required for games but it wasn't clear if the hard drive will ship with the units or not.
The hardware was developed with the hard disk in mind," Kutaragi said at the event. "We view the hard drive to be mandatory for the PS3. Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."
He continued saying that Sony hopes to avoid a situation where some units have the hard drive and others don't but then he said Sony "might end up installing it in all PS3s, though that depends on the market".
So it's not clear if the PlayStation 3 will come with a hard drive or not but then how is it possible that all games require the hard drive if the company doesn't include one with every unit?
PlayStation 3 to Require HDD for Games
At the Sony's PlayStation business briefing, Kutaragi revealed that a HDD will be required for games but it wasn't clear if the hard drive will ship with the units or not.
The hardware was developed with the hard disk in mind," Kutaragi said at the event. "We view the hard drive to be mandatory for the PS3. Rather than have developers create games for the PS3 with or without the HDD, we will be asking them to develop games as though all PS3s have the HDD installed."
He continued saying that Sony hopes to avoid a situation where some units have the hard drive and others don't but then he said Sony "might end up installing it in all PS3s, though that depends on the market".
So it's not clear if the PlayStation 3 will come with a hard drive or not but then how is it possible that all games require the hard drive if the company doesn't include one with every unit?
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Well thats true
MS are really pushing the market place. I mean look how many rattles get thrown out of the pram in here where there was no demo for GRAW and the one for the outfit didnt work. So that is 500meg to a gig worth of data each. The HDD is too small for what MS want to achieve. it will be upgraded to a bigger one though
Well to be honest unless you are Ken Katuragi (and even then) you cant guarantee bugger all to do with the PS3 price.
Dual shock comes as standard with the PS2 always has, memory cards are the favored choice in Japan, thats why the PS2 boxes came with mem card holders. Also in Japan mem cards are dirt cheap, plus they get special versions etc. Nintendo use mem cards, does that make them evil??
Sony are trying to make money with a console they have sunk a lot of money into. I dont think it should be used to force a format to the consumers, but to be honest, if the xbox hadnt come out just yet, nobodywould be bothered.
and Gord the dvd drives in the 360 are horribly bad, i'd take any new technology over that old 78 record player they have there
ok lets list shall we
1. xbox - regular
2. xbox - clear black (limited ed)
3. xbox - Panzer Dragoon Orta Special Edition
4. xbox - green limited edition
5. xbox - Pure White Limited Edition
6. xbox - Crystal Limited Edition (that cracks me up ebcause next we have
7. xbox - Crystal (jacked no the LE there huh)
8. xbox - Halo Special Edition
9. xbox - Kasumi-chan Blue Edition
10. xbox - Halo 2 Limited Edition (Blue)
even if you want to be pedantic and say well only the xbox and xbox crystal at the only standard revisions, well thats 2 versions against the 2 versions of the PS2 that you quoted. and there is a performance difference over the 4 models you lsited. Also the PStwo has a network adapter and iR port built in. the PS2 didnt.
also where are the slatings of nintendo, they are up to what 3 revisions of the GBA now??
well from what i have read sony are really pushing the media center.
How MS be making the 360 a media center, yet be focused on gaming
Well whoopie do, but i think you have a leaning towards MS.
The launch line up was ok, not great, and we will see what the PS3 brings since there will be a lot of dev's had the dev kit for a long time.
Microsoft said the way of the future was 'micro purchases' i they ment using xbox live marketplace, but i think the peripherals will be just as key to MS. MS do see to be a little bit peripheral hungry in this round in my opnion.
Call me a sony fanboy I dont care i will be buying a PS3. I think it will grab a lot of the casual gamers, and i for one am genuinly excited to see what it going to happen over the next 6-9 months. And think it could be a great thing.
What i dont understand is why people say sony wont be able to do a worldwide launch like MS did. Sure sony have had shortages in the past, but i think a lot of it is fabricated. i have never had any trouble getting any sony product at launch. Sony make electronics for a living, MS make software. I think Sony will do the business.
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and nokkon i am not picking on you, but your post stood out a lot and there seemed to cover a lot of what was being said by other members in this thread and lately
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I really can't see them requiring a HDD to run the games, in that case what would be the point of selling the PS3 without a HDD? To use as a very expensive CD/DVD/BD player?
I imagine they'll either do a 360 and make it as an optional extra with no impact on games or do an XBOX and sell the console with a HDD, but maybe make it upgradable.
I imagine they'll either do a 360 and make it as an optional extra with no impact on games or do an XBOX and sell the console with a HDD, but maybe make it upgradable.
Phil99 said:
unfortunaly it does have an impact on 360 games, MS lied to us when they said games wouldnt require one. Yeah i said it MS lied, people say sony do it, why cant i say MS did it, cos they did!
I dont understand why it would need one and not come with one as standard neither though, i think because Sony didnt specifically say it comes with it people are doing a bit of hype themselves saying it might not come as standard
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MS have continually gone for the $$$ and ripped off consumers, who until very recently didnt have much choice , and I have a 360 so I cant really be that much of a fanboy, I just think PS3 will end up being better in the long run than the 360, with more staying power.
Of course the hdd needs to be bigger, there are larger mp3 players ( storage wise) than the current 360 hdd, remember ms want us to use the console as a HD media server, which incude hd downloads, music and game saves - I currently have 1/4 of my cd's on my ippod and its already at 10Gb used, without any capacity chewing hd content. You have to consider these consoles are meant to last 4-5 years, right now there is little hd content available but within 2 years you will be swamped and considering the tiny price of hdd capacity 20GB is NOTHING!!!
Cant comment on the price of ps3, but it has been stated previously that the majority if not all previous consoles were released at £300 approx, maybe this was wrong but it SEEMED right to me, i did try and state this was from previous posts rather than my own recollection. I personally dont think Sony could risk selling it much higher because with the price of the 360 as comparison for Joe Public there can not be too much difference. Until Sony release the actual price , its anyone;s guess
Would you prefer Sony didnt develop the CD ( along with Philips) of course they have a right to push new technology they develop, its their console not a 3rd party's? They have their own movie studio also, so they push the format out to hollywood, yes the security of the discs is an issue now i grant you, but either way its just as good as hd-dvd, I just personally think if they went ms's way and put in standard dvd drives we would be in insanely long loading times or muti dvd's within a few years (remember true hd content mutiplies storage requirements )
Microsoft dont rob people with revisions - hmmmm how many flaky operating systems (on release) do you want, ok so they FIJNALLY get it right, but come on MS have a history of it in numerous ways ( overheating psu on 360 anyone? Reports of bad / overly noisy dvd drives) ripping off others software and rebadging it (MS DOS) numerous lawsuits around the world regarding their company policies in regards to windows?? Do you want me to go on?
You comapred two first generation consoles to two 2nd gen - of course they are different. Look maybe they shouldnt have updated each format, but with better revisions etc and newer drive technology, why not?
MS or SOny dont need a new drive tech YET, but I bet within 12 months they / developers will be needing it. Surely as much as possible a console should be designed to be basically static, without having a new drive to be pre-requisite to be played. They are pushing a hd ready consode with an sd drive, just dont see the logic myself.
I HAVE read up on it, and I am no fanboy either, I want the best tech for my money, so the ps2 and even the original playstation never had killer apps huh?
GT, Ridge Racer, WipeOut, Final Fantasy? Those are just some that spring to mind.
I agree we wont know what their line up is like until much nearer release, but I still see no reason to knock them yet, especially with promise of worldwide release ( which I admit may well change before final release of console) but I wouldnt say the 360 games are currently stunning by any means!!
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Atleast we now know when Halo3 will be out....
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JUMPURS said:
What impact does it have on games? Please do educate us. There isn't a single game that has been released that uses the HD for anything more than game saves which could easily go on a memory card.
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JUMPURS said:
Due to a choice made by the developer....not microsoft.
M$ empire was buil;t courtesy of the very people that take greatest pleasure in deriding it - the software pirate! It was piracy that made Windows the OS of choice, then once the market was such that Windows software was by far in the majority all M$ did was close the piracy window by making it more secure. I'm sure I read somewhere that at one point piirated windows3.2 was over 80% of the market!!!FrankJH said:
....but also cost as much as the entire xb360 premium package!!!!FrankJH said:
I actually think you'll find that M$ want you to use the xb360 as a media centre extender and not as a media server......the difference being the need to purchase a copy of Windows MCE edition. However, I also have no doubt that they have deliberately left the situation open so as to be able to defend anything that Sony might bring to the table.FrankJH said:
yep, I aghree here, until we have pricing specifics it's anyones guess.......however, Sony appear to be intending to put a hell of a lot of hardware into that box with very little in the way of performance gain over the xb360. I would suggest that unless the consumer can see a very visible difference between the two then they may well wonder why they'll be paying a premium for BlueRay/Bluetooth/blue gonads etc - remember the average consumer has no idea what these are, but are more likely to buy it just for the PS name and may end up wondering why?FrankJH said:
Sony's contribution is debateable, but what is concerning is that they're hoping that an already formed market will finance something that the majority of that market probably won't see the necessity for!FrankJH said:
That'll be the film studios that they bought then?FrankJH said:
Quite possibly, but that has yet to be seen. However, the one huge advantage HDDVD has is in production costs - it is far far cheaper than BluRay.FrankJH said:
I fundamentally dissagree with this point (or at least to the extent that you indicate), and to me it just shows a complete lack of knowledge in software rendering! A program takes up no more storage capacity should it render in HD or SD. Textures and certain software may well do to an extent, due to them generally being of a larger size, but in real terms this is reasonably negligable and the advancement of compression techniques has countered this to a greater extent. However, the true storage hog is HD CGI rendering, which in reality is mostly unnecessary ingame, and generally used far more by certain Japanese developers than Western (who prefer to use prerendered cutscenes).FrankJH said:
This is a moot arguement on both sides! Lets face it, these companies are in business to make money by whatever means necessary. They all use business practises that many would consider have dubious morality, but then they're not there to be moral or nice - I think some people seem to think we all live in some utopian dream world where everyone's nice to each other and money doesn't matter!FrankJH said:
Sorry, but I find the implication that DVD can't manage HD rendering laughable maybe you should tell all those PC gamne players out there that they've been playing in SD for last few years, despite the resolution being far in excess of anything PS3 will be able to render!FrankJH said:
......I find it amusing that none of those games are PS2! lol, sorry, just tickled me!FrankJH said:
Oh, I totally agree! It's far far too early to either knock the PS3 or to proclaim the 360 anything near a winner! Lets wait and see what they both bring to the table, although I would say that it must be a huge knock to Sony that they won't even see light of day for another 8 or 9 months! That's one hell of a headstart they've given M$, and that's with the assumption that there will actually be supply available.FrankJH said:
Before you think I'm just being a fanboy myself and slating you, I apologise that I've picked your post, but you just happen to sum everything up and it seemed easier to quote yours than several others - so apologies on that, I don't mean to seem like I'm picking on you.
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