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FrankJH said:
Less hardware built in - but not necessarily less features - actually I think the software emulation could end up being BETTER for old gen titles as this means its forced to use better hardware to run it, rather than the stock emotion engine etc - Im not saying it will but if anyone can do anything then its definitely the trio of top electronics companies behind PS3 (Sony with Toshiba and IBM) - IBM are already assisting dev teams with new games just to get the most out of Cell and ancillary systems. There are also thousands of back catalogue games which will run already - this will only increase in time - and look how badly MS continue to struggle with their back catalogue

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But surely less backwards compatibility = less features. I'm sure that the software emulation will work just as well on the machines that also have the hardware support, so in effect they get the best of both worlds.

The very fact that Microsoft have struggled with the software emulation approach would suggest that Sony will as well.

I'm sure that the majority of the 'thousands' of games quoted as being backwards compatible will be made of of the entire PSX back catalog, with no more than a few dozen PS2 games working on launch day. If they were confident about the software emulation, they put the website stating working games online now.

On the thread topic. I've pre-ordered. :)
 
4 and 5 for me, not interested in it and i already have a 360 which suits me down to the ground. Plus the fact that there is a much better range of games on the 360 at the moment compared to the PS3. Tbh the PS3 hasnt impressed me, ive seen them in Canada and i found them to be nice looking but thats about it. Cant stand the controller for a start, its absolutely crap imho. Plus added to the fact that im not a PS fan anyways and never have been tbh.
 
FrankJH said:
Launch line up of both MS and Sony are roughly equivelant - its not just a console so why compare price of a console to this unit - its pointless and stupid

Less hardware built in - but not necessarily less features - actually I think the software emulation could end up being BETTER for old gen titles as this means its forced to use better hardware to run it, rather than the stock emotion engine etc - Im not saying it will but if anyone can do anything then its definitely the trio of top electronics companies behind PS3 (Sony with Toshiba and IBM) - IBM are already assisting dev teams with new games just to get the most out of Cell and ancillary systems. There are also thousands of back catalogue games which will run already - this will only increase in time - and look how badly MS continue to struggle with their back catalogue.

The purple shirt brigade are pap themselves - so as to why they would have any decent representation at trade shows says it all really


If you were a real gamer you would see that ANY competition is good for the market - do you really want ONE company to win and the others to disappear? Wii is a great console (I will try and get hold of one along side my x360 which is 14 months old) but its not really next gen, so having just one next gen console on the market is not a good thing for any customer


Yes I have pre-ordered a PS3 and look forward to some of the games and some decent hd movies too - and am definitely looking forward to it
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Im not saying competition is bad, Im saying Sony deserve to fail. Regards BC, Microsoft is a very powerful software development firm, if they're having trouble with software backwards compatability, well Im sorry, but I think Sony may have issues too, not to mention its galling that they cut out the hardware emulation on European machines only, for a saving of a mere £15 a time, when they're already charging more for a delayed machine! You also CANNOT say there are thousands of games already compatible, Im sorry, Sony themselves have already admitted backwards compatability is 'significantly reduced' and that we will have to wait until launch for them to tell us which games are supported out the box. You also forget that its quite possible that people WITH the native hardware chips, will also be able to benefit from any software emulation changes later, the difference is, that Europeans have been fobbed off with a non native method, that is by all information, far less developed than the feature they removed, for negligable savings per console, is galling to say say the least.

Software wise, Im not just talking Launch lineup, Im seeing very little in the release charts, thats reckoned to be a decent exclusive...

I also admit whole heartedly, that yes, the purple shirted brigade arent the best retailers, but EVERY other brand at the trade show made a decent showing, this was an event over a few days inside the NEC for the entire DSG, the purple shirted brigade being amongst the companies part of DSG, and you forget that DSG (Dixons, Curries, PC World etc) are one of the biggest consumer electronics vendors in the UK, if Sony cant be bothered to try and win over a corporate of that size, at a big trade fair designed to win support for thier products, but then why would I think they'd care about a consumer who's worth a lot less cash to them? Sheer arrogance and belief that your brandname will sell a product doesnt win me over!

Yes, I understand its got blu-ray, but thats no excuse for the wreckage of a offering they've brought us, and with nearly every game available on Wii360, I see little reason to shell out on a late, overpriced, european-mocking 'wonderboy', not to mention that if its inability to generate the expected demand in America, if continued, means its likely that a lot of development companies will likely shift focus of software development to other machines, which results in a weaker games compliment come the machines maturity anyway.
 
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Alexrose1uk said:
Im not saying competition is bad, Im saying Sony deserve to fail. Regards BC, Microsoft is a very powerful software development firm, if they're having trouble with software backwards compatability, well Im sorry, but I think Sony may have issues too, not to mention its galling that they cut out the hardware emulation on European machines only, for a saving of a mere £15 a time, when they're already charging more for a delayed machine! You also CANNOT say there are thousands of games already compatible, Im sorry, Sony themselves have already admitted backwards compatability is 'significantly reduced' and that we will have to wait until launch for them to tell us which games are supported out the box. You also forget that its quite possible that people WITH the native hardware chips, will also be able to benefit from any software emulation changes later, the difference is, that Europeans have been fobbed off with a non native method, that is by all information, far less developed than the feature they removed, for negligable savings per console, is galling to say say the least.

Software wise, Im not just talking Launch lineup, Im seeing very little in the release charts, thats reckoned to be a decent exclusive...

I also admit whole heartedly, that yes, the purple shirted brigade arent the best retailers, but EVERY other brand at the trade show made a decent showing, this was an event over a few days inside the NEC for the entire DSG, the purple shirted brigade being amongst the companies part of DSG, and you forget that DSG (Dixons, Curries, PC World etc) are one of the biggest consumer electronics vendors in the UK, if Sony cant be bothered to try and win over a corporate of that size, at a big trade fair designed to win support for thier products, but then why would I think they'd care about a consumer who's worth a lot less cash to them? Sheer arrogance and belief that your brandname will sell a product doesnt win me over!

Yes, I understand its got blu-ray, but thats no excuse for the wreckage of a offering they've brought us, and with nearly every game available on Wii360, I see little reason to shell out on a late, overpriced, european-mocking 'wonderboy', not to mention that if its inability to generate the expected demand in America, if continued, means its likely that a lot of development companies will likely shift focus of software development to other machines, which results in a weaker games compliment come the machines maturity anyway.
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The way I see it is that they wanted software emulation from the begining but where having problems with it so they stuck hardware in the release models as an interim solution until the creases were ironed out of the emulation. Surely this is a positive thing as they could have just launched and said you will have to wait until we have sorted the emulation before you can play any PS1 or PS2 games!!!
 
Joebob said:
The way I see it is that they wanted software emulation from the begining but where having problems with it so they stuck hardware in the release models as an interim solution until the creases were ironed out of the emulation. Surely this is a positive thing as they could have just launched and said you will have to wait until we have sorted the emulation before you can play any PS1 or PS2 games!!!
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You seem to be missing the point. The hardware DID work. The software solution, as of yet, is largely unfinished, and unready, yet they removed it from the european machines ONLY, Im sorry, but for the amount they saved(£15), they could easily have left the hardware in the machine, and finished the software emulation later. I'd rather have a working programme later on, than a half finished one early, not to mention we're paying a hell of a lot more than £15 extra over most regions, and yet they've cut the chip out in the region thats paying more for the machine. Does that make sense from a consumer point? Pay more for less hardware?
Its all very well and good saying you wanted software emulation from the start, but you dont have it, and gave all the other regions a chip, so they would have full compatability until the software is ready, the europeans havent been given that option, even though they admit the software isnt ready, as it seriously reduced compatability with older games.
I dont enjoy being treated as a mug by a corporate, and this is exactly what Sony has done, why should Europe be the only continent that doesnt recieve the proper hardware solution, until the software is READY, because we're the only place that hasnt been given it.
 
Alexrose1uk said:
You seem to be missing the point. The hardware DID work. The software solution, as of yet, is largely unfinished, and unready, yet they removed it from the european machines ONLY, Im sorry, but for the amount they saved(£15), they could easily have left the hardware in the machine, and finished the software emulation later. I'd rather have a working programme later on, than a half finished one early, not to mention we're paying a hell of a lot more than £15 extra over most regions, and yet they've cut the chip out in the region thats paying more for the machine. Does that make sense from a consumer point? Pay more for less hardware?
Its all very well and good saying you wanted software emulation from the start, but you dont have it, and gave all the other regions a chip, so they would have full compatability until the software is ready, the europeans havent been given that option, even though they admit the software isnt ready, as it seriously reduced compatability with older games.
I dont enjoy being treated as a mug by a corporate, and this is exactly what Sony has done, why should Europe be the only continent that doesnt recieve the proper hardware solution, until the software is READY, because we're the only place that hasnt been given it.
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Im not really that bothered about backwards compatibility tbh, as I tend to sell or trade games in to buy new ones, but if I were then I would rather buy a console with emulation which will at a later date upscale all my old PS1/PS2 games to 720p/1080i than be stuck with playing last gen games at cruddy res on my HDTV.
 
Joebob said:
Im not really that bothered about backwards compatibility tbh, as I tend to sell or trade games in to buy new ones, but if I were then I would rather buy a console with emulation which will at a later date upscale all my old PS1/PS2 games to 720p/1080i than be stuck with playing last gen games at cruddy res on my HDTV.
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What makes you think the consoles that currently have the hardware solution wont be able to use software emulation in the future?
 
Tupac said:
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Wonder what my chances are of receiving one if the store has had ~100 preorders already..
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I dont anticipate a shortage, they have had more then enough time to produce the nessecery numbers.


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3. Waiting for the price to drop
5 years should do it :o I'll buy the gt6 bundle :p
 
Bonjour said:
What makes you think the consoles that currently have the hardware solution wont be able to use software emulation in the future?
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What Im trying to get at, except that consoles with the hardware native solutions also have just that, there are NO compatability issues, its all there inside, a feature we are well entitled to considering the price we're paying, except we're getting relegated to software which MAY work well in the future, rather than having the benefits of both.

BC isnt the be all, but considering the popularity of the PS2, I doubt too many people with say 20-40 old games would want to get rid of them all, when they were promised they could run them on the new machine, and may have already got rid of the old machine in anticipation, its just another case of europe getting shafted.
 
I was going to get one mainly as a blue ray film player, i've already got the hd-dvd drive for the x360. But I'm not going to get one unless the price drops below £300 as I think it's far too expensive compared to the x360.
 
Silent Bob said:
I was going to get one mainly as a blue ray film player, i've already got the hd-dvd drive for the x360. But I'm not going to get one unless the price drops below £300 as I think it's far too expensive compared to the x360.
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How much was your 360? How much was your HD-DVD drive?
Around £400.... yeah thought so. :rolleyes:
 
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