PS3 vs 360 graphics

[Metalface Mark]

XBOX360 vs the PS3

I have both, so I can say what I think and not be biased.

Graphically they are pretty much both on par. If we want to get nitpicky, then the PS3 is slightly sharper and perhaps better, but since most titles will be cross platform, this is not the real advantage of owning a PS3.

The real advantages the PS3 has over the XBOX360 is it's a much nicer looking machine (obviously subject to opinion) But one thing that cannot be denied is its a much better designed machine in terms of quality feel, sound noise levels, and lastly not having an ext power supply. If you are fussy to these kind of things, then get a PS3, cos the XBOX360 is going to drive you MAD !!!

The XBOX360 does have better online gaming for sure and obviously for the time being a better catalog of quality games.

For me I have to give the PS3 the no1 as I despise the noise levels of the 360 and I know the game selection will soon catch up. It just has more awe about it. I really do enjoy playing my PS3 more so than the 360.

As for controllers, I really don't know, I love both of them equally. At first I thought the sixaxis was too light, and now I feel the 360 pad is too heavy.. It's half a dozen of one and 6 of the other. Both as good as each other and both feel real good in the hand.

As for blu-ray, if you are a film lover with a quality hd set, then once again the PS3 outshine the 360 there, ok so you can go out and buy a HDdrive, but you know what, I don't really want extra add ons sitting around. So the PS3 once again comes out top there.

Those who hate the PS3 are those who don't own one, get one then eat your own words.

Thanks

You sound like someone justifying paying a huge amount for something, so your definetly not the person to ask.

If you want a console based on looks, maybe the wii would have been a better buy for you, as both the ps3 and the 360 are ugly.

 

[dirtydog]

You sound like someone justifying paying a huge amount for something, so your definetly not the person to ask.

LOL no of course his opinion is wrong - he stuck up for the PS3 so it must be.

 

[Mr Latte]

Rockstar crammed as much data as they possibly could do onto a dual layer DVD. With a next gen game like GTA IV there is no way that they could improve on the previous title by using DVD, unless you install from multiple discs to the HDD - but considering that the HDD's are fairly small in comparison to PC's and the fact that they will be used for other media such as music and films etc, then that too doesn't seem plausible.

Thats a good example, lets see how the new 360 version compares to the PS3. I would think the game designers now know this was a problem with the previous title and will perhaps structure the new games differently. Rockstar isnt taking BIG M$ dollars to go out and make their first collabaration favour the PS3, with some technical 360 limitation is it?

Ok, so if they release a new storage or optical drive then how much is that going to cost? I personally woudl prefer it to be built in from the start.

All Microsofts hardware seems well priced, i cant say what size or how much but the way Live is expanding with more TV services and general growth means a larger Harddrive or USB storage option is required. They possibly may want something that goes in hand with Vista and PC linkability for storage/file transfers but this still leaves the original Hard-drive as a bottleneck.

Regards the 60GB on the PS thats still not much of an improvement particulary with Sonys boasting of 30GB games, So how many games are you going to rip onto your PS3 harddrive mixed with all your media?

Erm... Sony are a company - of course they want to make money, thats what they do!!! Oh I see, of course Microsoft have never been into that have they :| do you not think the extra drive will be a money spinner for Microsoft, just like having to buy a seperate remote for the DVd player was with the Xbox?

Yes your forgetting that MS will not be forcing people into buying a new Hard-drive or storage option. Its only going to be available for those that want or need it. PS3 forces people to buy a new and untested Hardware technology/format which Sony make royalities on every disc printed.

Regards 1080p yes Microsoft have jumped on the bandwagon to show that they can indeed offer this if need be. Sony however claim that only PS3 has the power to handle 1080p in games but my point is at the loss of quality textures/effects. So their pushing the Hi Def confusion offering 1080p over 720p in games as the ultimate experience in graphical terms which is misleading and already so far has been proven to not be the case.
Visual eye candy comes from within the graphical details and effects not so much from a higher resolution. The point is very few people will even be able to utilise 1080p so its a limited feature and more a marketing tool.

Funny, I remember similar statements about the dreamcast! That had a head start too.

Thats a very poor comparison, are you seriously going to take past history of Sega and apply this to compare Microsoft?

If anything Microsoft have Pioneered console gaming in ways neither Sony, Nintendo or Sega have. The X360 market is well established and has more 3rd party support than any other console platform at this time. Add its own unique benifits like Live, the services it offers from free demos to online entertainment or multiplayer/co-op gaming.

All that to me looks like a console thats going to be around for a while and with the benifit the PS2 always had over the Xbox is that it will ALWAYS be cheaper. Sorry but PS3 will not win this war which quite frankly i dont care about, i would however want an alternative system with games and online services that ARE indeed better than what the X360 provides.

That my friend is the mountain Sony will have to climb to compete and do it all at a higher price point. OMG Sony really do need some KILLER APP AAA games that are PS3 exclusives.

 

[gord]

LOL no of course his opinion is wrong - he stuck up for the PS3 so it must be.

You keep saying that you sit firmly on the fence in these situations taking an objective view of the circumstances.. yet all i see you posting is regarding what people think about people who protect the PS3.. it shouldnt matter if people hate Sony and PS3.. if you make an objective post that is sensible, comprehensive and definitive then no one will be able to argue with it.. thats why no one quotes my posts.. its end of.. theres no more to say.. its cold hard facts.. if someone does argue with me then i either have it wrong and fair enough, it does happen, but conversly they are simply making themselves look like a fool..

We need a table of pros and cons of each console.. and then to rank those pros and cons, for example 1080p is still an advantage for the PS3 (does the 360 do 1080p? i thought it came in an update) but who is going to have a 1080p screen and even be able to tell the difference.. so its ranked low.. theres no arguing with that..

 

[dirtydog]

You keep saying that you sit firmly on the fence in these situations taking an objective view of the circumstances.. yet all i see you posting is regarding what people think about people who protect the PS3..

Just trying to redress the balance.

We need a table of pros and cons of each console..

I disagree. Simply because a console is far more than the sum of its parts. Primarily consoles will be judged on their games. Seeing as the PS3 has only been out for five minutes it is too early to judge it yet. We can of course judge the games that are actually out on both consoles and from what I can see, most 360 games are mediocre and all PS3 games are.

 

[Mr Latte]

A table isnt required, its plain as day at the moment the PS3 is nowhere close to what Microsoft are offering from an allround package.

This wont stop people from buying a PS3, or will it? The fact seems that come lunch day in the UK is their going to be ANY games on the PS3 that REALLY beats what the X360 will have on the shelves?

To me Sony have kinda lost the plot thinking that having Blu Ray is going to save them. Id wish they would get off their backsides, concentrate on the damn games and online gaming services. They just seem to be so far behind with nothing that really stands out.

This thread may be all about graphics but really its always going to turn into a "which system" battle. Honestly isnt it really bad that they have delayed this so many times and DO NOT seem to be offering anything that is KICKASS!!!

Prove me wrong but so far PS3 is dissapointing...

 

[thedoc46]

You sound like someone justifying paying a huge amount for something, so your definetly not the person to ask.

If you want a console based on looks, maybe the wii would have been a better buy for you, as both the ps3 and the 360 are ugly.

If I'm honest with you, being that I have two little ones running around, I really can't afford any consoles at the moment, I feel privalaged have owned all three of the next gens and play them all in the comfort of my own home on launch day (except for the X360, which i only recently got) I was lucky enough to get my hands on some decent pre-orders and with a bit of ebaying, I've literally paid for my gaming needs for the next 5 yrs ! and made the wife happy too ! I did actually have a Wii, but had to go though, can't have all three.

I do not want a console purely based on looks or sounds. There are all the other factors as well. But you can't deny it does make a difference to the overall enjoyment of ownership.

 

[gord]

I disagree. Simply because a console is far more than the sum of its parts. Primarily consoles will be judged on their games. Seeing as the PS3 has only been out for five minutes it is too early to judge it yet. We can of course judge the games that are actually out on both consoles and from what I can see, most 360 games are mediocre and all PS3 games are.

All of this can go in the table though, also you missed the bit about my ranking system in your quote..

The PS3 being out for five minutes can go in its disadvantage column.. the games on each console can go in their disadvantage columns if they really are that bad. You can still include all the info in the table, even if a console is more than the sum of its parts.. that goes in the table..

A table isnt required, its plain as day at the moment the PS3 is nowhere close to what Microsoft are offering from an allround package.

To a lot of people things arnt as "plain as day" and a table would provide a clear comparison to show which is better. If things were as plain as day then we wouldnt be having this discussion.. someone would post.. "the PS3 is a bit late and rubbish because of it isnt it?" and everyone would reply with "Yes"..

 

[dirtydog]

Why is a table needed? I can tell you now which console is better at this MOMENT IN TIME: the 360. On the PS3's plus side it is quieter. On the 360's plus side it is cheaper, has a ton of games many of which are cheaper, and it has a few good games. The PS3 has no good games yet. What does this prove? Not a lot

 

[Mr Latte]

To a lot of people things arnt as "plain as day" and a table would provide a clear comparison to show which is better. If things were as plain as day then we wouldnt be having this discussion.. someone would post.. "the PS3 is a bit late and rubbish because of it isnt it?" and everyone would reply with "Yes"..

Listen its about the games and how much fun can be had from the system...
You also want to warrant a large purchase on a new console for good reason not because its got a good hardware spec or new optical drive or looks nicer or is quieter.

Go ahead and answer my question if the PS3 is going to have anything on release thats going to REALLY make it a machine worth buying. Look also at the spring/summer X360 release schedule, if anything what you want to be comparing is system prices and games that will be available and then remember the difference in price points and services each offer.

Outside of Sony fanbase or Blu Ray curious to invest in a £400 console will require either good luck or a lot of reason to purchase one. Never has a console succeeded at this price point, maybe just maybe people want a PS3 for games as a primary reason to purchase, not a new movie format which also seems thus far to be behind the rival format.

So far the PS3 looks more like the cheapest form of Blu Ray player available with a games console feature second, sorry thats how i see it with regards Sonys importance for the system. Also with the fact they seem more interested in offering online services to purchase music or emulation in older games for more revenue over and above beating the Xbox Live experience, yeah nice work sony...

 

[Joebob]

You sound like someone justifying paying a huge amount for something, so your definetly not the person to ask.

If you want a console based on looks, maybe the wii would have been a better buy for you, as both the ps3 and the 360 are ugly.

He is one of the few people who has both consoles, so surely he IS the person to ask!!!

You keep saying that you sit firmly on the fence in these situations taking an objective view of the circumstances.. yet all i see you posting is regarding what people think about people who protect the PS3.. it shouldnt matter if people hate Sony and PS3.. if you make an objective post that is sensible, comprehensive and definitive then no one will be able to argue with it.. thats why no one quotes my posts.. its end of.. theres no more to say.. its cold hard facts.. if someone does argue with me then i either have it wrong and fair enough, it does happen, but conversly they are simply making themselves look like a fool..

But he had a valid point, there is a lot of Sony bashing going on in this thread and thedoc46 posted some good and honest comments based upon his first hand experience and views of playing both consoles - then he gets comments virtually saying "shut up"!!! - nice one DirtyDog, that post was definately needed IMHO.

Oops, sorry gord - I guess I just quoted you...!!!!!

The table would be absolutely pointless - People who prefer the PS3 would be banging their heads against the wall all day trying to tell people who prefer the 360 of it's virtues and vice virsa. At the end of the day it's all down to personal choice and preference.

 

[gord]

Why is a table needed? I can tell you now which console is better at this MOMENT IN TIME: the 360. On the PS3's plus side it is quieter. On the 360's plus side it is cheaper, has a ton of games many of which are cheaper, and it has a few good games. The PS3 has no good games yet. What does this prove? Not a lot

Youve just done what ive said.. not in table form.. but youve listed the pros and cons.. all youd need is some columns.. and what have you proved? Well youve made the reasons for saying which is better at this moment in time "The 360" clear by writing out the pros and cons which affected your decision.. now no one can argue with your statement..

Listen its about the games and how much fun can be had from the system...
You also want to warrant a large purchase on a new console for good reason not because its got a good hardware spec or new optical drive or looks nicer or is quieter.

The system defines what can be done with the games, so if its all about the games then its all about the system. Also, if your warranting the purchase on good reasons why would you not include the noise, looks and functionality as good reasons?

Go ahead and answer my question if the PS3 is going to have anything on release thats going to REALLY make it a machine worth buying. Look also at the spring/summer X360 release schedule, if anything what you want to be comparing is system prices and games that will be available and then remember the difference in price points and services each offer.

Outside of Sony fanbase or Blu Ray curious to invest in a £400 console will require either good luck or a lot of reason to purchase one. Never has a console succeeded at this price point, maybe just maybe people want a PS3 for games as a primary reason to purchase, not a new movie format which also seems thus far to be behind the rival format.

So far the PS3 looks more like the cheapest form of Blu Ray player available with a games console feature second, sorry thats how i see it with regards Sonys importance for the system.

So, youve done exactly the same as DD.. youve listed a load of pros/cons in paragraphs.. games (future releases), price, functionality, purpose.. if that info was in a table then it would be much easier to make a comparison for everyone else..

 

[Mr Latte]

Bashing isnt required, but i hope some of you tackle my points above as i think they are valid yet fair...

 

[gord]

Oops, sorry gord - I guess I just quoted you...!!!!!

The table would be absolutely pointless - People who prefer the PS3 would be banging their heads against the wall all day trying to tell people who prefer the 360 of it's virtues and vice virsa. At the end of the day it's all down to personal choice and preference.

Thats fine quoting me, your not arguing against my points.. you put "but" but you didnt need it..

As for the table, i agree choices are extremely subjective.. but there are still a number of hard facts that would make the majority of discussion in this thread erroneous.

 

[Mr Latte]

So, youve done exactly the same as DD.. youve listed a load of pros/cons in paragraphs.. games (future releases), price, functionality, purpose.. if that info was in a table then it would be much easier to make a comparison for everyone else..

Damn i thought buying a games console was about the games etc, not colour shape noise. I sure remember that ugly chocolate C64 but that didnt stop it from selling did it....

Please by all means go ahead and compare the prices, the games available for launch period and prove i havnt a point? I havnt done what someone else is doing in bashing im stating what i believe are actual facts of what may be the circumstances come launch date.

Is PS3 a great console to be buying at launch time or a really cheap Blu Ray Player?

 

[Joebob]

Damn i thought buying a games console was about the games etc, not colour shape noise. I sure remember that ugly chocolate C64 but that didnt stop it from selling did it....

I loved my C64

Is PS3 a great console to be buying at launch time or a really cheap Blu Ray Player?

I think it's actually both. Is the 360 a great console to be buying or a really cheap Blu Ray player? erm... nope it's just a console!

 

[gord]

Damn i thought buying a games console was about the games etc, not colour shape noise. I sure remember that ugly chocolate C64 but that didnt stop it from selling did it....

Please by all means go ahead and compare the prices, the games available for launch period and prove i havnt a point? I havnt done what someone else is doing in bashing im stating what i believe are actual facts of what may be the circumstances come launch date.

You quote my post, but then you totally ignore it? Strange behaviour.. I was saying that you can include the games in the table, but not to ignore the other factors which can influence a decision. Im not really bothered about disproving your point.. it has no consequences to me. I can post my personal opinion on the situation if you want.. but it doesnt further anyones knowledge and only echoes whats been posted in this thread at different points.

Is PS3 a great console to be buying at launch time or a really cheap Blu Ray Player?

This question has just made me realise.. weve totally strayed from the graphical topic we should be adhering to. I apologise.. it was probably my fault for bringing a generic potential solution to the arguments contained within. As for the question, i dont know.. i would have to make a list of pros and cons in a table to give me a clear comparison that others could see whether the console is good or not at launch, either way i definitely wouldnt put its blu ray functionality against itself as your question implies it should be one or the other, fact is, the cheap blu-ray drive is an advantage.. as JoeBob says

I think it's actually both. Is the 360 a great console to be buying or a really cheap Blu Ray player? erm... nope it's just a console!

 

[Mr Latte]

I think it's actually both. Is the 360 a great console to be buying or a really cheap Blu Ray player? erm... nope it's just a console!

Wrong its a great console with a great price, great games and great online service and thats what peopleare buying/bought it for...

Sure it offers more if you want or need that from it with "region free" superior HD DVD movies... So effectively still cheaper than PS3 if somone wants HD video playback features

 

[Mr Latte]

Please gord do us all a table your just soooo keen on the idea...

If anything even a new thread eh...
I would like a serious conversation regarding it keeping out fanboyism

One problem some of you are forgeting perhaps is that many potential PS3 buyers are X360 owners already so why is the question would they need or want a PS3 other than the curious?

Surely a HD DVD addon and some new games is an alternative for them aand wait till the PS3 actually matures with a better catalouge and much improved online features?

Is this not valid ?

 

[gord]

Wrong its a great console with a great price, great games and great online service and thats what peopleare buying/bought it for...

You cant say he is wrong for including the HD functionality in his decision whether the console is great.. if you are still living in the 90's where a console was only a console then you can argue all day that it should only be that.

Fact is, in todays world we expect more from our consoles and they move towards home entertainment centres. That is why it is both and not just a console.

Please gord do us all a table your just soooo keen on the idea...
If anything even a new thread eh...
I would like a serious conversation regarding it keeping out fanboyism

I knew that would arise, unfortunately i dont have the time right now.. but maybe soon..