PS3 Wii's all over Nintendo

Inoshishi · 1 Dec 2007 at 21:17

Energize said:
I don't see how the november PS2 redesign is going to solve this problem. People already have a PS2, but don't want to have to keep it under the tv with the PS3, having loads of wires and plug sockets used, not only are people annoyed about the lack of bc, but not being able to sell their PS2's mean they can't put money towards the PS3, meaning even less sales.

I see what your saying, I'd also like to think sony will bring out say a 120GB model with BC again in the future.

I'm just happy I got a 60GB.

Baxtor · 1 Dec 2007 at 21:19

Same here, can you not still get the 60GB models anywhere?
If you can, grab one of those.

msmalls74 · 1 Dec 2007 at 21:55

Think the Wiis gonna sell huge in Japan again this week, wii fit got released this weekend and it seems its selling like mad!

oweneades · 1 Dec 2007 at 22:23

Energize said:
The ps3 would be selling better if it had backwards compatibility like every other console, it was all done in software anyway so it didn't cost anything to keep it, so why did they get rid of it?

I know people who aren't buying the ps3, including me because new games are being released on the ps2 and they don't want all their ps2 games to become useless. The ps3 gets one cutdown after another, until now it's only a shell of it's former design.

If backwards compatability matters to you that much then get the 60gb model. If it doesn't then get the 40gb model.

rp2000 · 1 Dec 2007 at 23:08

Energize said:
The ps3 would be selling better if it had backwards compatibility like every other console, it was all done in software anyway so it didn't cost anything to keep it, so why did they get rid of it?

You are misinformed, unfortunately, the emulation is not done in software. If it was it would not have been removed, as you say. It is to do with the removal of a chip that was not emulated, which saved money, which meant price dropped.

rp2000

wedgie · 1 Dec 2007 at 23:26

Energize said:
The ps3 would be selling better if it had backwards compatibility like every other console, it was all done in software anyway so it didn't cost anything to keep it, so why did they get rid of it?

Original US 60gb PS3 - 1 Emotion engine chip + 1 GS (Graphics Synthesizer) chip = Full hardware Emulation

Original UK 60gb PS3 - 0 Emotion engine chip + 1 GS chip = Software emulation

Current UK 40gb PS3 - 0 Emotion engine chip + 0 GS chip = No emulation at all

Removing the GS chip saved about $25 per PS3.

wannabedamned · 1 Dec 2007 at 23:33

Sony and Nintendo are both going to be huge in Japan. It's always been the same. And come on, Through a year, there's always going to be on and off weeks for both. Maybe the reason Sony are selling more now, is because its near Christmas. I know Christmas isn't celebrated over there in the traditional sense, but it's definitely celebrated the commercial way. And Wii is affordable through out the year is it not? Where as the PS3 is probably the sort of thing you'd get for Christmas.

Anyways, As said. It could be just an on week for sony or an off week for nintendo. Could be due to Xmas. Good news either way. Can't see a bad spin on it

Surfer · 2 Dec 2007 at 02:19

wedgie said:
Original US 60gb PS3 - 1 Emotion engine chip + 1 GS (Graphics Synthesizer) chip = Full hardware Emulation

Original UK 60gb PS3 - 0 Emotion engine chip + 1 GS chip = Software emulation

Current UK 40gb PS3 - 0 Emotion engine chip + 0 GS chip = No emulation at all

Removing the GS chip saved about $25 per PS3.

hrmm when you say the uk 60g ps3 does software emulation of ps2 games, is this noticeably worse than the hardware emulation that the US ps3 does?

Energize · 2 Dec 2007 at 02:30

Surfer said:
hrmm when you say the uk 60g ps3 does software emulation of ps2 games, is this noticeably worse than the hardware emulation that the US ps3 does?

It's considerably less compatible from sonys own figures. While the ntsc ps3 played 99% of ps2 games, the pal one was quoted about 70%, and those didn't run flawlessly.

wedgie said:
Removing the GS chip saved about $25 per PS3.

I think £12 is a price everyone is willing to pay. Very bad move there.

oweneades said:
If backwards compatability matters to you that much then get the 60gb model. If it doesn't then get the 40gb model.

I would if the 60GB model hadn't been discontinued.

Even with the removal of the gs, software emulation is still possible, so why they completley removed all bc is beyond me. PCSX2 was written by coders in their free time, with none of the ps2 code that sony have access to yet they have created an emulator that plays many PS2 games at full speed.

wannabedamned · 2 Dec 2007 at 02:33

It's been said that PS3 will support 77% of PS2 games, That's the PAL console with software BC. They also in the same breath say 44% of PS2 games will run normally.

FrankJH · 2 Dec 2007 at 08:34

kalanium said:
Because people werent buying them. If it was released on time in Spring 2006 with a much lower price point they probably wouldnt have been able to keep up the supply because of the blu-ray diode shortage they had, also they only launched in 2 territories and left Europe out for 4-5 months.

To be fair the USA has always been a foothold for MS - so its not really surprising that this territory did very well for the X360 (about 2/3 of its sales are in this territory alone according to google/wiki figures)

the whole cost of the BR and cell are what makes the PS3 expensive, there is no getting away from it. There was no way Sony could have released the same machine at a much lower price, it wasnt financially viable at that point (now the componants are cheaper its a different story)

Weebull · 2 Dec 2007 at 09:03

That link in the OP is the worst definition of irony I've seen in ages.

neocon said:
isn't it ironic tha the cheapest console at £179 is now only available for £350+

if a ps3 was £199 and bluray movies were £10 each, i'd be much more interested

Haha. I agree the PS3 is over-priced, but what dream world are you living in where you expect Blu-Ray movies to ever cost only a tenner each?

Energize said:
I don't see how the november PS2 redesign is going to solve this problem. People already have a PS2, but don't want to have to keep it under the tv with the PS3, having loads of wires and plug sockets used, not only are people annoyed about the lack of bc, but not being able to sell their PS2's mean they can't put money towards the PS3, meaning even less sales.

You'd think that, wouldn't you? Yet the PS2 just continues to sell. No-one ever includes it on the sales charts with the current generation of machines, but it's right up there with them. Someone's still buying them, and if you're Sony, why not take advantage of it?

wedgie · 2 Dec 2007 at 09:24

Energize said:
I think £12 is a price everyone is willing to pay. Very bad move there.

I can see where you're coming from, £12 isn't a lot of money by any stretch. But, from a purely marketing point of view, below the £300 mark is a huge barrier to break.

Energize said:
I would if the 60GB model hadn't been discontinued.

Even with the removal of the gs, software emulation is still possible, so why they completley removed all bc is beyond me. PCSX2 was written by coders in their free time, with none of the ps2 code that sony have access to yet they have created an emulator that plays many PS2 games at full speed.

I think there's every chance that a fully featured 80gb model will be released in the future. I would like to know why the PS3 can't do full software emulation also, the 360 can achieve this can't it?

Weebull said:
Haha. I agree the PS3 is over-priced, but what dream world are you living in where you expect Blu-Ray movies to ever cost only a tenner each?

If Blu Ray's become the standard format then they will eventually fall in line with what we're currently paying for DVD's.

Baxtor · 2 Dec 2007 at 10:00

Weebull said:
Haha. I agree the PS3 is over-priced, but what dream world are you living in where you expect Blu-Ray movies to ever cost only a tenner each?

You can pick them up now for £14.99 if you look around!
Give it another year and a tenner does not look so much like a dream world?

Metalface Mark · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:15

Isnt it amusing that a thread about the PS3 and Wii brings out two of the biggest 360 fanboys to have their usual degenerative pop at the other consoles?

Such a shame.

Kreeeee · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:17

wedgie said:
I think there's every chance that a fully featured 80gb model will be released in the future. I would like to know why the PS3 can't do full software emulation also, the 360 can achieve this can't it?

The original xbox architecture is incredibly simple, while the PS2 is very complex and also has a huge memory bandwidth that simply can't be emulated in software yet. Microsofts BC is far from perfect too and runs on a per game basis with every game needing tweaks to work properly.

Nintendo can do full emulation because it uses very similar hardware.

KNiVES · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:25

Kreeeee said:
The original xbox architecture is incredibly simple, while the PS2 is very complex and also has a huge memory bandwidth that simply can't be emulated in software yet.

PCSX2 says hello. I run my PS2 games with extra AA as well.

wannabedamned · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:27

KNiVES said:
PCSX2 says hello. I run my PS2 games with extra AA as well.

haha, I was gonna say. I have a friend who actually developed that

KNiVES · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:28

Give him a big pat on the back for me.

Kreeeee · 2 Dec 2007 at 12:35

KNiVES said:
PCSX2 says hello. I run my PS2 games with extra AA as well.

I'm just quoting the official line from Sony, but then I guess that's never a trustworthy source.