PS4 specs?

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CPU: Cell@32nm 4PPE, 32SPE, FlexIO II, 1bn+ transistors, <250mm^2 die
GPU: NVIDIA GT400 derivative@32nm, ~750 stream processors, 1.5bn+ transistors, <270mm^2 die
RAM: 1GB Rambus XDR III, 300GB/s+ bandwidth, GPU can write to RAM.
VRAM: 3GB GDDR5, 256/512-bit bus, 300GB/s+ bandwidth
Optical: Blu-ray
HDD: >100GB
TDP: <200W - they want a slimmer console

RAM could just end up being 4GB GDDR5. However Sony has a stake in Rambus.

speculation on Neogaf but what do you think the specs will be I hope sony go for something similar to this. I hope they abandon PS move and just stick to DS3
 
Well the PS3 had/has a very good spec and the down side to that is it still very expensive after 5 years of being on the market, so sony might be wanting to keep the spec lower this time
 
3GB GPU RAM seems overkill. 1GB system RAM seems too low. 2gb + 2gb wpuld seem better but who knows.
 
I will be interested in the optical media for the next Xbox, as Bluray belongs to Sony.

The PS3 is very old not and so is the 360 but I admire well they fare when the specs are taken into account.

The only thing I really dislike about my PS3 is that it is so ****ing loud (60GB) and I know newer ones are pretty much silent.

Also hard drive over 100GB?! Sony and MS have done stuff stuff with hard drives. They have tiny ones when a bigger one would cost them just a few quid more. If the PS4 has a 2.5 inch mechanical hard drive it had better be a 750GB minimum.
 
From what I've read, I don't think Sony actually "owns" Blu-Ray, but rather just one of the founding Association members and owns the logo only.

Either way, if the next Xbox decides to use Blu-Ray, pretty sure there will have to be extra licensing fees and such.

It wouldn't be too surprising once we see the real specs in a couple years time, that Sony will go for the same brands in the hardware, a next generation Cell, Rambus RAM and a more powerful Nvidia GPU. The Cell CPU especially since they've invested so much into it.
 
I will be interested in the optical media for the next Xbox, as Bluray belongs to Sony.

I don't think that Bluray belongs to Sony. There is Bluray disk association f which Sony is of the "board of directors" along with LG, Apple, etc. I would be surprised if the next Xbox didn't use Bluray.
 
The Cell CPU especially since they've invested so much into it.

Isn't that the same as a bad poker player continuing his hand that he knows is beat but he feels he cannot back out due to how much he has put in the pot.

I don't own a 360 but I do own a PS3 and despite all the extra processing power the PS3 supposedly had over the 360, I have never seen any of it.
 
wasnt the PS3 costing sony more than they where selling it at? sure i read that when the PS3 was coming out, they where making money from the sales of like blueray and other content. only when the slim came out they stated to make money off console i think.

i think sony need a plan really as they lost a lot of customers since the hacking so they started to lose a lot of money and havnt been the same since but to bring a almost same spec PS4 out now thats just stupid, xbox have updated the 360 in stages rather than a whole new 640 as people say but i think it could be time for some new consoles to come out...
 
Is the CPU basically the current Cell X 4 (maybe smaller die as well)?


rp2000

yh basically

from the cell in the PS3 (1 PPE and 8 SPE) to 4 PPE and 32 SPE but other rumors say they use something eles

Power Processor Element = ppe

Synergistic Processing Element = spe
 
It wouldn't be too surprising once we see the real specs in a couple years time, that Sony will go for the same brands in the hardware, a next generation Cell, Rambus RAM and a more powerful Nvidia GPU. The Cell CPU especially since they've invested so much into it.
Bloody hell - not heard the word Rambus for years! Im hoping thats not based on the ill-fated RDRAM they are using? Very fast, but expensive IIRC...
Isn't that the same as a bad poker player continuing his hand that he knows is beat but he feels he cannot back out due to how much he has put in the pot.
Not really as I would say developers also have invested a lot of time getting their head around it and the associated SDKs - could mean better quality games right off the bat - though no doubt Sony will try and somehow sabotage that internally...

Cant see any reason for the next Xbox not having BD - its just a license that needs paying and the BDA would be more than happy to issue that considering its likely to be a very popular piece of equipment in peoples homes...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Yeah Rambus as in their XDR. Not the old RDRAM.

As for the processing power of the Cell CPU, I would say the Sony-owned studios and their first-party exclusive games would have the advantages to make the most of it.
 
i think sony need a plan really as they lost a lot of customers since the hacking so they started to lose a lot of money and havnt been the same since

According to Sony 94% of account holders came back and 3 million new ones have signed up since the hack and revenues are actually up from where they were before. By them giving out free games to everyone regardless of how much they used PSN before the hack it made everyone look at the store and see what was on offer. Maybe something some people hadn't done for months.

On the subject of the PS4. I would be a little surprised if they didn't go down the expanded Cell route simply because of how much they spent on its development in the first place. That and all of their internal devs know how to abuse it properly now and can carry the same techniques over to the next iteration.

I'd expect them to still use Blu Ray again because of the money the sunk in to it and also because it can store more than enough data. I'd also expect to see a faster drive speed (PS3 drives are 2x I think) and possibly the capability for it to take 4 layer 100gb disks. The Blu Ray fabrication process has come a long way since the PS3 launched so producing higher density disks shouldn't be an issue should they need them. However most games that fill the current 50gb disks are doing so because of 1080 FMVs that are compressed less than on the 360. I'd expect to see less FMVs in the next generation simple because the hardware will be more capable of rendering more on the fly.

As for the GPU I have no idea, it is the weak link on the PS3 along with the quantity of memory. The 1st party devs have learned how to make the CPU do GPU processes but everyone else hasn't. That has hurt Sony a little with Multiplat games where more is still being done by the GPU. I'm hoping for 4xAA as a standard though just to take the edge off and vsync on all titles. Triple buffering would be nice but I know the hardcore won't like that for FPS games.

Historically ram multiplies by 8 every generation so it would see 4gb, but I don't realistically see that happening. People have been dropping 4gb into PCs for over 5 years and there are still few games that need it or perform better with more. With a low memory footprint OS sucking up less as well I think we might see 2gb of fast ram being the norm. Don't forget, the kind of ram they are likely to use is going to be much faster than DDR3 and as a result more expensive too.

As for output resolution they'll stick to supporting 3D of course but I don't think we are anywhere near enough 4k becoming mainstream for them to aim to render at it most of the time though it may support it later in its lifecycle.

The final factors are launch price, games and date. I think they'd like to be out at around the same time at the NextBox but if they don't have the games, or the price down far enough they won't rush it.

The PS3 launched a year later at a much higher price point but is still at 49% against the 360s 51% of the HD Console pie. Something which I expect to shift into the PS3s favour before the new machines arrive.

Sony won't want to make the same mistakes that it made with the PS3, the two core technologies in the PS3 that were costing so much at the launch were Blu Ray diodes and the Cell, both of which are now much much cheaper.

I think all of that will see the PS4 launch at around $399-$450, £350-£400 depending on how strong the Yen is at the time.

But if they don't have the games for launch then it'll hurt them.
 
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