PSWii60 - comparison

FrankJH · 18 Feb 2007 at 08:38

Kreeeee said:
The technology is from pretty much the exact same time though.

The CPU and GPU are completely different though in one way or another not to mention other bits and bobs in the PS3.

What I was really saying is that if you compare an early release of the X360 to what is now available , it shows enormous growth - so imagine what we will be seeing in GT5/6 on the PS3 (released sometime in 2008) compared to what is available at launch

With also more rumours of a PSP 2 from certain printed mags, and the fact that both manufacturers seem to develope games completely differently and specialise in different styles of game - I think the competition is looking rosey.

I did read last night that the PS3 is meant to last 10 YEARS on the market which is why its been pumped so full of top quality stuff - now 5 -6 years is a VERY good spell for a console - 10 I think is too far personally but who knows

kinggost · 18 Feb 2007 at 08:52

Has any one tryed useing the psp as a ps3 controller

OpenToSuggestions · 18 Feb 2007 at 17:09

after playing on the wii i think nintendo are going to go bust as the conosle is basically and overclocked gamecube They spent 4ish years making a fancy contoller?!?! i played cod3 on my xbox and on a friends wii and they looked graphically the same! the wii has such little power that its going to need to be replaced in a years time. I looked forward to the wii and planned on gettting on, but im glad I didnt now as there rubbish.
I know games arent about graphics they are about fun. But a console has to have the raw power to make big environments with a lot happening, and the wii just doesnt have it imo

Joebob · 18 Feb 2007 at 17:18

FrankJH said:
I did read last night that the PS3 is meant to last 10 YEARS on the market which is why its been pumped so full of top quality stuff - now 5 -6 years is a VERY good spell for a console - 10 I think is too far personally but who knows

But the original playstation was on the market for about 10 years as I recall, and the PS2 has been out for 7 and is still the biggest selling console at the moment so it may be a few years before they withdraw it!

Joebob · 18 Feb 2007 at 17:19

kinggost said:
Has any one tryed useing the psp as a ps3 controller

I don't think it's possible yet - maybe with a future firmware update but as I recall it was never gonna be definate anyway.

Joebob · 18 Feb 2007 at 17:22

mglover070588 said:
after playing on the wii i think nintendo are going to go bust as the conosle is basically and overclocked gamecube They spent 4ish years making a fancy contoller?!?! i played cod3 on my xbox and on a friends wii and they looked graphically the same! the wii has such little power that its going to need to be replaced in a years time. I looked forward to the wii and planned on gettting on, but im glad I didnt now as there rubbish.
I know games arent about graphics they are about fun. But a console has to have the raw power to make big environments with a lot happening, and the wii just doesnt have it imo

Well they have sold nearly five million consoles in just a few months and they (unlike MS and Sony) are making money on every console sold so I doubt they will go bust to be honest :confused:

If you dont like the games on the Wii then fair enough but the general consensus seems to be that they are a whole lotta fun and are completely different from other consoles so gfx doesnt matter as much.

ic1male · 18 Feb 2007 at 17:44

FrankJH said:
I did read last night that the PS3 is meant to last 10 YEARS on the market which is why its been pumped so full of top quality stuff - now 5 -6 years is a VERY good spell for a console - 10 I think is too far personally but who knows

I think that's Ken Kutaragi saying the console's lifespan will be 10 years - it won't be 10 years before we see PlayStation 4. I can feel in my waters that the next iteration will be around 2012 for Sony and maybe 2010/2011 for MS.

kinggost · 18 Feb 2007 at 18:05

Joebob said:
I don't think it's possible yet - maybe with a future firmware update but as I recall it was never gonna be definate anyway.

It says on a big games retailers website that you can do it. Here is a quote

The unique inter-connectivity between the PlayStation 3 and PSP allows the two systems to share content, unlock features and discover new ways of playing - both at home and on the move.

Or does it just mean will be able to but not just yet

Joebob · 18 Feb 2007 at 18:08

kinggost said:
Or does it just mean will be able to but not just yet

You can stream audio and video content from the PS3 to the PSP over wireless and you can download playable content for the PSP on the PS3 but you cant actually use it as a controller. I have heard this mentioned a few times though but thought it was just a rumour to be honest!

FrankJH · 19 Feb 2007 at 08:15

Joebob said:
.............but you cant actually use it as a controller.!

This is exactly what Sony plan on developing - possibly in line with the widely rumoured (in printed press at least) PSP 2

Kreeeee · 19 Feb 2007 at 08:30

FrankJH said:
The CPU and GPU are completely different though in one way or another not to mention other bits and bobs in the PS3.

What I was really saying is that if you compare an early release of the X360 to what is now available , it shows enormous growth - so imagine what we will be seeing in GT5/6 on the PS3 (released sometime in 2008) compared to what is available at launch

The amount of time developers have had dev kits is pretty much the same too.

FrankJH said:
This is exactly what Sony plan on developing - possibly in line with the widely rumoured (in printed press at least) PSP 2

They need to release a new PSP for it to make a decent controller. The analogue thumb pad is horrendous in my opinion.

Joebob said:
With regards to the noise I would love to crack it open and have a go at modding it myslef to quiten it down (cost me nothing so losing nothing if it borks) but obviousley we cant discuss this on here - weird how we can talk about overclocking PC's Gfx cards etc but not cooling consoles?

It's very common knowledge that it's the disc drive that makes all of the noise people complain about, not the fans. It's much less simple to mod that and the 4x speed mod causes a lot of problems with loading and playing games.

Reeve · 19 Feb 2007 at 11:56

im not sure if this has been posted yet but the newer manufactured xbox 360s are going to be a lot quieter

also as far as controllers go i used the ps pad for years before the xbox 360 one came out and i can honestly say the xbox360 pad is vastly better than it and i would imagine most who have given it a chance would say the same

but at the end of the day i suppose it is a preference thing......

sswats · 19 Feb 2007 at 12:03

which is unusual as you seem to be able to surf the net on everything but the fridge these days!

actually, you can get fridges with internet

Joebob · 19 Feb 2007 at 12:21

sswats said:
which is unusual as you seem to be able to surf the net on everything but the fridge these days!

actually, you can get fridges with internet

Lol, I know - they reorder foor for you when you run low on certain items!!!

ic1male · 19 Feb 2007 at 13:49

Joebob, have you tried out a Blu-ray film yet?

Joebob · 19 Feb 2007 at 15:17

Yes, I bought a couple for my daughter as I know they will get watched over and over again otherwise it wouldn't be worth it. Ice Age 2 and Open Season.

I think animated films really do look a lot better in HD as you can see all the details you wouldn't normally see on DVD, i.e. textures etc. Looks great.

The only film I have seen lately which I want to add to my collection when it comes out and I would buy a BD for is Hot Fuzz, but it's bloody Univeral who are only supporting HD-DVD... Grrr!

FrankJH · 19 Feb 2007 at 16:39

Kreeeee said:
The amount of time developers have had dev kits is pretty much the same too..

Given that one console and one was due for release in some territories if you were a developer which would you put more effort into? I would bet the one that would get you immediate return . Also remember that the X360 is very like programming a PC, so the time any developer takes to get upto speed is going to be dramatically shorter.

The PS2 was getting better and better graphically for several years after its launch when more and more of its abilities were being "discovered" , I reckon this will be true fo the PS3 (if the devs give it the necessary time of course)

Kreeeee said:
They need to release a new PSP for it to make a decent controller. The analogue thumb pad is horrendous in my opinion...

I didnt think it was that bad but a redesign wouldnt go amiss for sure

Demon · 19 Feb 2007 at 18:21

FrankJH said:
Given that one console and one was due for release in some territories if you were a developer which would you put more effort into? I would bet the one that would get you immediate return . Also remember that the X360 is very like programming a PC, so the time any developer takes to get upto speed is going to be dramatically shorter.

The PS2 was getting better and better graphically for several years after its launch when more and more of its abilities were being "discovered" , I reckon this will be true fo the PS3 (if the devs give it the necessary time of course)

I didnt think it was that bad but a redesign wouldnt go amiss for sure

I don't quite agree,

I think the 360 shares some of the pains of the PS3, namely the multiple core programming environment, on a PC programmers are just starting to use 2 cores, and this is very different to the 360, which has 6 HW threads on 3 cores with an in-order configuration..

The only real difference between the 360 and PS3 is that the PS3's extra 'cores' are specialised, which makes them superb for certain tasks, but optimising your design to make use of these calls for some thought, the 360 does make life a little easier, because it's effective 6 CPU's (3 cores/2 Threads per core) are essentially all the same..

I'd say both are quite a departure from the PC enviroment, although I concede that the 360 architecture is a little easier to program more effectively due to it being as though you have 6 little PC's all running together..

I think developers are struggling to best utilise both consoles at the moment.

FrankJH · 19 Feb 2007 at 18:37

would help if my initial post actually made sense - thats what posting at work does to yur brain hahaha

Actually meant to say that given the cost of any hd game supposedly increasing dramatically due to the console themselves increasing in general complexity as well as the actual definition increase seen on screen, most developers are more likely to turn around games asap for consoles already on sale (or on sale sooner) so their dev costs are repaid all the quicker.

Demon - I see where you are coming from I wasnt going that far into detail - but fair enough never the less.

I really hope that neither console loses too much market share to the other, and maybe even it being an even split between the three so competition continues to drive everything forward. This is the only way the consumer is going to "win" otherwise one or the other company will get lazy and we are the ones who pick up the "bill"

McManicMan · 19 Feb 2007 at 21:09

Kreeeee said:
and the 4x speed mod causes a lot of problems with loading and playing games.

rubbish, i should know -its the best thing that has ever happened to my 360, no skipping on anything, probably more due to rubbish media than the F/W hack