Purchased a small French lightweight hot hatch - Renault Clio 172 Cup & NOW 182 Trophy

172 cups come with matched RS inlets. My 2003 car did and my track car did.

Seems mine did not, had the injector guard off and there is no RS stamp, my car is a 52 plate.
I've looked through numerous build threads and it seems on 52 plate cars RS stamped inlets are hit and miss. 03 and later cars all seem to be RS stamped.

So I guess Renault made the update through the cars life and the earlier cars did not get them.

Found a lower RS inlet with injectors for £40. :)
 
Good find that. There is a guy on the Cliosport forum that does injector cleaning pretty cheap. Might be worth getting them cleaned up as spares for the future. Quite a few people lately seem to be having issues with injectors failing. Guess its due to the age of these things now.
 
Good find that. There is a guy on the Cliosport forum that does injector cleaning pretty cheap. Might be worth getting them cleaned up as spares for the future. Quite a few people lately seem to be having issues with injectors failing. Guess its due to the age of these things now.

True, I guess 182 and 172 injectors are identical, no change.

Am gonna speak with the specialist, ask if they will fit me the RS lower inlet but at same time port and match it to the head and upper inlet. :)
 
No difference in the injectors as far as i'm aware.

There listed for both 172 and 182 at RPD: https://www.renaultpartsdirect.co.uk/parts/renault-clio-range/injector-clio-172-182/

Think i paid about £140 for a full set from carparts4less on my old 182. But kept the old injectors for spares, always good to have a bunch of spare parts.


Yeah spoke with Specialist, they had lower inlet is a very easy swap and whilst they are at it they shall clean the upper up and also try match the inlets on head and upper to the new lower to maximise flow.
Yep I can put in the injectors in the spares draw. :D
 
Hi there

So collected the car from Birchdown Auto Services at lunch time, it has had following done which pretty much completes the restoration mechanically:

  • Front Powerflex Arb bushes
  • Powerflex steering rack bushes
  • Powerflex rear beam bushes
  • New Brembo HC disc
  • EBC Yellow front, pagid pads rear
  • Uprated brake hoses
  • Fluid flush/change
  • RS lower inlet fitted, ports matched on block and upper, everything cleaned
  • Alignment by Demon Tweeks


Some pictures of the brakes:


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The brakes are certainly more powerful with stopping force, the pedal feels very solid with fantastic feel, all round the brakes feel totally fantastic, normally small hatches feel under braked, but the Clio felt quite good stock, but now it feels like its got serious stopping power with great modulation.

The front-end is certainly more direct and pointy, not quite as dramatic as it was after having the inner and outer track rods along with new wishbones fitted, but its definetely that bit more precise again and grip feels further improved.
Can't say I can feel any additional power from the RS inlet, but if my old one was in good condition, then its probably worth 3-4HP at best, so not the kind of thing you will notice, the guys at Birchdown did say they could see a difference, the RS inlet looked better from factory for sure and along with the 182 manifold is probably a big chunk of the 10PS gain the 182 had.

They said it got a lot of attention at Demon Tweeks due to how clean it was underneath and how it was in such good condition. They said it drives absolutely superb, one of the best, but it really should be as the car is now totally fresh, every suspension component and bush updated. :)

All that now leaves is 182 manifold, good quality manifold back system with sports cat, keeping the stealth look and low noise, then a remap from EFI, job done. :)
 
Don't forget your pads will feel abnormally powerful to begin because of the bedding in coating that EBC apply, once that's worn off they'll feel more normal (They'll still be very good).
 
Looks so much better now. I sometimes wish i'd got a 172 cup instead of my RB 182 cup. Some 70-90kg lighter from memory. I was actually eyeing a cheaper one up the other day, along with a dead LY 182 that had stripped a plug thread. But both sellers have stopped replying, so assume they're sold or changed there mind now.

Ktec racing seem to make decent exhaust systems, that also sound good. I'm running the smaller 2.25 system on my 182, due to the more raspy sound it produces. However, given the choices i'd probably pick the Pure Motorsport system which is around £200 more expensive.

From the before and after remapping printouts I've seen, you may see up to 10bhp increase once properly mapped (as it stands now being the before map), a good 182 will map to around 185bhp, but before figures are generally around 175-178bhp. 172's are nearer 165-168bhp. I'd guess once mapped you'll have gained between 15-20 bhp over a standard 172 cup.

Bushes, suspension and steering refresh is something i need to get sorted on mine in the next year or so. New front tyres next month, just weighing up weather to get another pair of AD08R's, or get a winter set of wheels with PS3's to deal with the wetter months a bit better.
 
Hi there


Drove the car in the wet yesterday, its really superb, the R1R's have huge amount of wet grip, as you get close to the limit they do warn you with some mild slip, if you over do it, they break away fast and slide a good few feet before regaining traction, so not the most progressive but very impressive indeed.

The braking performance however on the R1R's is shockingly impressive, even with no ABS you can brake so hard in the wet the stopping power is fantastic and the pedal feel is very impressive as you can brake right upto the point of slip pretty much and modulate as required, but the way it can shed speed is very impressive indeed, at super high speeds, three digits, then things can get a little squirmy but its not really the kind of car you should be trying to stop fast from triple digits, but it can do so very well, but at around legal speeds it can stop insanely well.

The brakes ability, performance and feel is fantastic, probably the best out of all my car and only beaten by the M3 and Jaguar really at trying to stop from speeds beyond 130mph, which in fairness the Clio would struggle to exceed 130mph anyway.

It is such a fun little car, I can't recommend it enough when it comes as a point of fun factor, a BMW 640D in the wet was driving so hard on a country lane in the wet, yet for me in the Clio I felt like I did not even need to try, for me it was just a breeze to keep up and even when joining a dual carriage-way I was on the power so much earlier that even after a good 1/4 mile run he was one car length ahead, its ability to corner, put power down is very impressive, can certainly shock other cars, that is a low kerb weight and sticky tyres for you. Plus its a lot more fun!

Yes its no super car killer, doing some back to back runs between it and the Jaguar and the SVR can corner everywhere faster, even in wet, it is quite mind boggling in fact how quick the SVR can corner if you really push, at first it feels like it will let go as it feels so alive, but you just push beyond it and the SVR can have astonishing pace, but do have to be careful in wet due to its extra mass and power. Likewise with the M3 there is some corners where the Clio may rival it, but long sweepers the M3 does have an edge, but in all fairness shows how capable the Clio is to not be far off the M3, infact on a tighter circuit I can see the Clio been as quick, yes a more flowing circuit the M3 will be gone. Though of course the M3 is running on a less sticky tyre.

Still such a fun car, it is mechanically perfect now, all that is left is 182 manifold, sports cat/exhaust (stealth) and EFI map, then just enjoy it and don't put too many miles on it. Should all be done next month, then over Winter the M3 can get a few jobs I want to do on it along with a set of new wheels and some sticky AR1 for Summer and track days. Probably gonna get a nice set of Recaro F1 seats for the M3 as well. :)
 
This thread has made me miss my old 172 so much, definitely the most fun car I've ever owned. Nice to see one being so well looked after, mine was a bit of a state when I sold it :o Currently running an EP3 which is definitely faster but just doesn't have the fun factor that the Clio had, might be time to start looking for one...:)
 
I remember Harry Metcalfe did a review of his Clio Trophy on his channel and they did a group test around the Alps with some super cars and the Lambo just couldn't get away. There and then he rang up Renault and purchased the test car.

These and the RS200 are most likely the last of a breed that we will never see again. In twenty odd years they will be a feature of some motoring program and worth 5 figures.
 
Steering rack bush change, noticeable and if so how? Main benefits?

Well I had steering rack bush, ARB bushes and rear beam bushes at same time, but the car just felt that little bit more direct and pointy if makes sense.

My car now has every suspension bush, steering component and suspension part replaced for new original or powerflex, including engine mounts and gearbox mounts.
In short I wanted to experience how the car drives like it did when was brand new, I am very happy with it, lot of fun and very capable. :)

I remember Harry Metcalfe did a review of his Clio Trophy on his channel and they did a group test around the Alps with some super cars and the Lambo just couldn't get away. There and then he rang up Renault and purchased the test car.

These and the RS200 are most likely the last of a breed that we will never see again. In twenty odd years they will be a feature of some motoring program and worth 5 figures.


Yes I was eyeing up the Trophy, but some people rate it no better than Cup or even not as good, due to weight, I suspect they are both very equal but of course you can get into a cup for 1-2k and then 2-4k on restoring, but a Trophy is 6-9k to get into and still a few grand to bring it back like new, but as far as looks go I do prefer the Trophy, the red is stunning and of course less of them, only 500 so will hold value a bit better. I think Renault sold around 2-2.5k blue cups, around 700 on the road now so they are getting rarer with time.

Not so sure about RS200, I did consider the RS197 and RS200 but when I see the weight of 1240kg I was really put off, yes the RS200 has better handling due to improved suspension technology, but its over 200kg heavier and my M3 is around 1330kg, so it made little sense to me, I wanted as light as I could go and my only lighter option was really something like a 106GTi at 950kg, but they were all nasty for the money.

For me 172 Cup or a 182 Cup at the moment represent fantastic value and huge smiles per mile if your the kind of driver who really like to drive their cars hard, but want to experience the driving hard side more because you need to work harder for it, then these Clio's are a great choice. :)
 
106 GTi or Saxo VTS are all either really expensive for nice ones, or really tatty and cheap. You've made the right choice for a hot hatch that you won't really lose much money on.
 
It's good to see a nice example of a true hot hatch restored to such a standard. Nice reminder on a forum pretty much dominated by fancy over inflated and assisted modern tosh :P

Ill always remember one sunny afternoon few years back when a B7 RS4 couldn't shake my friend in his sorted 106gti on some backgrounds behind Eden Project. Even on the straights he couldn't clear us much. I struggled to keep up with either in my DC2 and that was barely tipping 1040kg. One day I'll be getting the pug.
 
Started following this project at the started and just finished off reading the progress today. Superb achievement and almost makes me want to get one myself but the only thing stopping me is I vowed never to get a car again with wipers on the wrong side after having a 206.
 
Hi there

No real updates to the car but today it hit 56,000 miles:

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I've been using the car every day for the past week or so, it is such an enjoyable thing to drive, though this morning with if slightly frosted up you soon realise the annoyance of no AC, it took ages to defrost, though a small complaint.



Some photos from the recent OcUK meet, not taken by myself of course:


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Here is my alignment settings, not requested by me, I just requested factory settings:

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So a few questions to resident experts, I am surprised by such little caster, yes I replaced the wishbones to the new latest ones, which supposedly have the same additional caster like Cups ones did, upon visual inspection the new ones compared to original cup ones do look the same.

So my guess is because the car is running minimal front negative camber is why caster is also a little low and I guess increasing front negative camber would also increase the caster?


The car drives fine, infact it is huge fun, yes it does under steer at the limit, but not to the point its annoying, it is very manageable, even fun and more steering lock will see it turn in. The rear is absolutely planted, that is going nowhere!
So I suspect if I did add more front negative camber, to an extent it would dial out some of the understeer? If true what is a good negative camber value to aim for on the front for fast road use? Do I need camber bolts to adjust front camber or is there adjustment from factory?
 
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