Purchased Counterfeit Software
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Why do you find that funny?
Because the seller tried to charge the OP for a copy of XP but instead he gave him a 10p disc. Why return it when the postage will far exceed the price of the disc. The guy probably wants the disc back so the Op has no evidence that he sold him a counterfeit copy of XP.
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No I purchesed the copy from the MM because this was a counterfeit.
The MM one was a good sealed genuine copy.
This, otherwise don't bother.
If he gets ratty, just tell him that he's lucky your not taking it further with trading standards.
Those stupid enough to think this was a genuine mistake.... lol
Whatever you do don't send it back to him recorded or whatever, the disc is worth nothing, thus it would be stupid to do so. If hes so gutted about loosing it send him a link to a torrent or similar.
Not everyone is as tech savy as us, it's possible someone thought they had genuinely found a bargain and planned to sell it cheap but with a mark up. The guy has admitted he was wrong, and offered a refund and said he'll sort it. I don't see why everyone thinks the OP shouldn't take this at face value. He's only human, people make mistakes and not everyone is out there to rip everyone off. Granted you have to be careful, but since the OP already has a full refund and it was being sorted civilly, I don't see why he needs to start threatening to get the police or trading standards in over a cd that he can post for £1. I'd just do it and be done with it
Of course you should return it. He is quite within his rights to ask for it back, you bought it, he refunded it so you should send it back.
If he'd gone through the proper procedure with Paypal, you'd not have got your money back until it had been received back.
So yes, you should return it. You've not paid anything for it, it's not technically yours, whether it's fake or not is unimportant.
If he'd gone through the proper procedure with Paypal, you'd not have got your money back until it had been received back.
So yes, you should return it. You've not paid anything for it, it's not technically yours, whether it's fake or not is unimportant.
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Don't listen to the moralistic ***** of the forum. He is selling illegal goods, not that i disapprove of this but, he's not given YOU what YOU wanted. If you send it back it will cost YOU money and YOU still don't have anything. So far this isn't looking to good for you.
I suggest you tell him you have sent the disk to the trading standards to be checked and wait for a reply, I bet he doesn't.
I suggest you tell him you have sent the disk to the trading standards to be checked and wait for a reply, I bet he doesn't.
it is important feek as the material value of this disc is less than 2p.
the cost of postage is higher.
And I'm sorry Jotun, but thats just rubbish and you and the rest of the world know it.
If he was genuine then he would know that as its fake another disc could be burnt to replace it, he wouldn't bother chasing it up and giving you the story, he'd just give you the refund and forget about it. Hes just covering his behind so he doesn't get banned from the bay.
Out of interest how many other copies has he sold?
the cost of postage is higher.
And I'm sorry Jotun, but thats just rubbish and you and the rest of the world know it.
If he was genuine then he would know that as its fake another disc could be burnt to replace it, he wouldn't bother chasing it up and giving you the story, he'd just give you the refund and forget about it. Hes just covering his behind so he doesn't get banned from the bay.
Out of interest how many other copies has he sold?
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I mailed him to let him know that i would post it back but that ive also given microsoft the COA key, just checked now and all copies of XPPro have been removed.
If people want to pirate for themselves or purchase pirated software knowingly fair enough, but dont sell to (STUPID (me)) although still innocent parties.
If people want to pirate for themselves or purchase pirated software knowingly fair enough, but dont sell to (STUPID (me)) although still innocent parties.
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Should have reported it, you could have helped discover a huge underground software piracy ring, along with drugs, traffiking and counterfiet goods worth BILLIONS!
Meh.
Meh.
There's no moralistic **** here, I've just been in a similar situation myself. I bought a set of headphones that turned out to be fake and I couldn't get a refund without jumping through the hoops that Paypal set. In the end, simply because there was no PoD of the item I sent back (I sent it recorded, Royal Mail have no record of it being delivered which probably means the postman didn't bother getting it signed, just dropped it through his letterbox) I have to make the claim now against Royal Mail.
The material value of the CD is irrelevant.
An item was sold.
The buyer received the item, realised it was fake and started a claim. The seller has refunded the cost of the item before he needed to do so. He didn't have to refund it until he received the CD back so he's been a good boy here. He's refunded you in good faith.
He's now asking for the item back claiming that he needs it in order to get a refund from his dropshipper.
This is quite reasonable. If he's dropshipping then there's a good chance that he doesn't know whether he's selling dodgy items or not, we don't know the circumstances.
So currently he's out of pocket for the refund, and potentially the cost to him of the item.
I don't know about theft by deception, I'm not a legal expert but common sense tells me that you should return the CD to him as he's requested. It's what you would have had to do anyway had he not given you an early refund.
This is how it should work:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You send it back.
You get a refund.
In this situation the final step has been bumped up so it goes like this:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You get a refund.
You send it back.
This isn't how it works:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You get a refund.
I said before, you don't own the CD, it's not yours. He's totally within his rights to ask for it back, whether it's fake or not.
Man up. Send it back, do the right thing.
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The material value of the CD is irrelevant.
An item was sold.
The buyer received the item, realised it was fake and started a claim. The seller has refunded the cost of the item before he needed to do so. He didn't have to refund it until he received the CD back so he's been a good boy here. He's refunded you in good faith.
He's now asking for the item back claiming that he needs it in order to get a refund from his dropshipper.
This is quite reasonable. If he's dropshipping then there's a good chance that he doesn't know whether he's selling dodgy items or not, we don't know the circumstances.
So currently he's out of pocket for the refund, and potentially the cost to him of the item.
I don't know about theft by deception, I'm not a legal expert but common sense tells me that you should return the CD to him as he's requested. It's what you would have had to do anyway had he not given you an early refund.
This is how it should work:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You send it back.
You get a refund.
In this situation the final step has been bumped up so it goes like this:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You get a refund.
You send it back.
This isn't how it works:
You buy something.
It's not as expected.
You get a refund.
I said before, you don't own the CD, it's not yours. He's totally within his rights to ask for it back, whether it's fake or not.
Man up. Send it back, do the right thing.
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You posted that while I was typing my essay! Good stuff
Well yes, but he's not drop shipping them is he as its his brothers fault or whatever rubbish he made up, if he was drop shipping from an external supplier, he would have apologised passed the blame on.
So as deduced he's not buying from a supplier and drop shipping. Thus there is no need to send items back to his supplier as the supplier is the cd burner sitting under his desk.
So why else could he want the item back?
I can only think that he's continuing with this charade so that he doesn't get reported.
At the cost of the innocent buyer.
With regards to the headphone of yours, thats slightly different as that probably was drop shipped, they probably were fake. For the seller to get their cash back they would need the original item. Well take it as a lucky escape and re-list the item more like. Where as this item has no possible monetary value to the seller. I would take him less than 5 minutes to make another to sell on or for his own use.
It really sounds to me like a kid trying to make a quick buck out of copying CD's not some huge operation that is drop shipping masses of counter fit Microsoft CDs without knowing it.
Out of interest how much did the little scrote get from you in the first place?
So as deduced he's not buying from a supplier and drop shipping. Thus there is no need to send items back to his supplier as the supplier is the cd burner sitting under his desk.
So why else could he want the item back?
I can only think that he's continuing with this charade so that he doesn't get reported.
At the cost of the innocent buyer.
With regards to the headphone of yours, thats slightly different as that probably was drop shipped, they probably were fake. For the seller to get their cash back they would need the original item. Well take it as a lucky escape and re-list the item more like. Where as this item has no possible monetary value to the seller. I would take him less than 5 minutes to make another to sell on or for his own use.
It really sounds to me like a kid trying to make a quick buck out of copying CD's not some huge operation that is drop shipping masses of counter fit Microsoft CDs without knowing it.
Out of interest how much did the little scrote get from you in the first place?
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This guy speaks the truth.
You should just email the person and tell them that you're not going to incriminate yourself by posting the counterfeit software back to them, and if they have any problem with that set of circumstances then they should feel free to get the police involved.
It really is that simple, The goods are in effect stolen and the seller can not lay claim to them. I would invite him to get the police involved, If he has made a dropshipping error then that will be apparent.