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Q6600 bottleneck?

Crinkle, what FPS are you getting on average?

Could we run a quick comparrison?

Load the singleplayer, and just land on the beach at the beginning, without moving what is Fraps saying? I'm getting between 35 and 38.

BF2 settings:

Res: 1920 x 1200
Level of Detail: High
Texture Quality: High
Shadow Quality: High
Effects Quality: High
AA 4x
AF 8x
Vsync off
HBAO off

Considering I was aiming for a Eyefinity setup at somepoint with this GFX card I'm a touch gutted at the performance right now (in fact, performance is not that much better than my old 9800GX2)
 
i've got it installed and have had a game on port valdez with fraps running, all settings same as yours apart from 2 x MSAA and 4 x AF.

was running pretty constant in the mid 40's except one point which it dropped to 24 when a building collapsed next to me.

you wan't me to try the single player thing also ?
 
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Just been building my q6600 rig back up as my mate's taking it off my hands... he wanted a dual 5770 set aswell... but they're stock, so slight difference (10mhz core, lol)

Just done this on both rigs for you... think something's up with your setup!

1920x1080, won't make much of a difference (maybe 1-2fps maximum)

Q6600 @ 3.6
2x2GB DDR2-800 5-5-5-18
Res: 1920 x 1080
Level of Detail: High
Texture Quality: High
Shadow Quality: High
Effects Quality: High
AA 4x
AF 8x
Vsync off
HBAO off

~70fps with 16xAF
turn HBAO on and it goes down to 55-58
turn it down to 2xAA with HBAO on and it goes to 60-62
turn it to 8xAA with HBAO on and it goes to 52-53

On my i7 rig, those fps go up roughly 20-30%... so 8xAA, 16xAF and HBAO gives ~65fps

And that's with two cards that should perform roughly on-par with a single 5870... ie, half the power of what you have!



Did you fully uninstall the nvidia drivers before putting your new card in???

Might be worth giving your whole system a wipe and re-install if you can manage it mate...

Also... what motherboard are you running?

I remember having performance trouble back when i upgraded to sli 8800gts... turned out the motherboard just didn't have enough bandwidth to handle them
 
crinkleshoes said:
Just been building my q6600 rig back up as my mate's taking it off my hands... he wanted a dual 5770 set aswell... but they're stock, so slight difference (10mhz core, lol)

Just done this on both rigs for you... think something's up with your setup!

1920x1080, won't make much of a difference (maybe 1-2fps maximum)

Q6600 @ 3.6
2x2GB DDR2-800 5-5-5-18
Res: 1920 x 1080
Level of Detail: High
Texture Quality: High
Shadow Quality: High
Effects Quality: High
AA 4x
AF 8x
Vsync off
HBAO off

~70fps with 16xAF
turn HBAO on and it goes down to 55-58
turn it down to 2xAA with HBAO on and it goes to 60-62
turn it to 8xAA with HBAO on and it goes to 52-53

On my i7 rig, those fps go up roughly 20-30%... so 8xAA, 16xAF and HBAO gives ~65fps

And that's with two cards that should perform roughly on-par with a single 5870... ie, half the power of what you have!



Did you fully uninstall the nvidia drivers before putting your new card in???

Might be worth giving your whole system a wipe and re-install if you can manage it mate...

Also... what motherboard are you running?

I remember having performance trouble back when i upgraded to sli 8800gts... turned out the motherboard just didn't have enough bandwidth to handle them
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Sorry missed this as I was writing the bit below:

The whole system has been installed from fresh - although, I will most certianly give it a go!

I'm going to remove the overclock on the CPU shortly and see what the difference is with 2.4 stock.

The mobo is: Asus P5k Premium (I can take a photo off the OC in the BIOS if you like? - advice more than welcome at this stage lol)



chipps101 said:
i've got it installed and have had a game on port valdez with fraps running, all settings same as yours apart from 2 x MSAA and 4 x AF.

was running pretty constant in the mid 40's except one point which it dropped to 24 when a building collapsed next to me.

you wan't me to try the single player thing also ?

im on the single player now and looking under the tree at the guard by the fire i'm getting 42, looking back out to the water i'm getting 79-80, looking at the tree stump in the water to my left i'm getting 72 and looking at the foggy rocks and cliff to my right im getting 65.
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yeah, go for it Chipps if you don't mind - would like to compare!

TBH, a friend who is running a Q9550 @ 3ghz and a 5870 is getting around 60-70fps average.

One thing to note, not sure if anyone else has noticed this, or even if it is a problem, but my CPU is being monitored on all 4 cores, cores 1-3 are all running at about 40%, but core 4 is running at about 95-100% - this doesn't seem right?

Something is wrong with mine!
 
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im on the single player now and looking under the tree at the guard by the fire i'm getting 42, looking back out to the water i'm getting 79-80, looking at the tree stump in the water to my left i'm getting 72 and looking at the foggy rocks and cliff to my right im getting 65, looking up into the searchlights i'm getting 122.

just looked at my cores in task manager, 2 are at about 50 % one a little higher probably 65% or so and one is at almost 100%

fan on my gfx card was at full speed pretty much as soon as the cut scene finished

i'm running vista home premium 32 bit sp2 btw.

it's more than likely a crossfire driver thing as the game is brand new i'm sure they will have a new catalyst out quickly that will sort any teething trouble out in bc2.
 
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Thanks Chipps, appreciate the info :)

Crinkle, I've put in another clock, 3.1 (fsb 350) and guess what, yep, 39fps on the beach again! So that's 39fps at 3.6, 39fps at 2.4 and 39fps at 3.1 - something is up with my CPU I think!??

CPUz correctly reads all my BIOS data (FSB etc, benchmarks such as 3DMark06 read my CPU clock speed correctly, and my CPU monitors read it correctly - but it doesn't make sense that the game has zero performance affected whether the CPU is at 2.4 or 3.6).

Here is a photo of my BIOS, appreciate any comments on what to do to attempt to change anything?

(note, this is from my old 3.6 setup)

BIOS.jpg
 
try a run of the fritz benchmark and see what you score that should see if all your cores are doing their job. or anything else that is a multi threaded cpu only benchmark.
i'm still thinking it may be a driver issue with your 5970 so wouldn't do anything drastic until a catalyst comes out that includes optimisations for bc2.
hopefully someone else with a 5970 can say if they are getting any problems in bc2.

here's a pic of all my settings and my fritz and super pi score when i ran at 3.5 for the benchmark thread, if you are getting similar scores at your overclock then the cpu should be working ok.



what you cant see in the pic you can probably find out by clicking on my cpu-z thing in my sig for my settings as i never changed anything other than my fsb to get to 3.5 from the 3.3 i run as standard..
 
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OK, Bought a Q9550, ran exactly the same BC2 benchmark (single player, let it run from beginning and land on the beach without moving an inch and I get 43 frames now instead of 39 - this is with the standard clock of 2.83 and the latest BIOS of 1101.

The 3DMark06 Bench got just over 15k 3D marks.

I've just upped the clock to 3.2 and am running BC2 again, although strangeness in the BIOS, the highest FSB multiplier I can select is x8.5!

For now I've downed it to x8 and FSB of 400....

(3DMark06 won't run on this though, it just crashes - not a BSoD - just a crash of the OS)

Note: I do still have Catalyst A.I turned off in CCC on the 5970 as BC2 crashes with this on...

if anyone has any input, advice, wisdom to add please please do so :D

Cheers,
 
Core voltage 1.44
VTT 128
Pll 1.60
Northbridge 1.30
southbridge 1.20
fsb 1.28
9x401 1:1 5-5-5-18

On a p45 board

found those settings to get 3.6ghz stable on mine but not 24/7 doable at the temps.I found upping the core voltage in general is often the thing needed but fine tweaking to get the volts down you need to play around with the other voltages I found.
 
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I don't think that Kentsfield --> Yorkfield yielded as much clock for clock performance as people make out.

I think OC'ing potential is obviously greater due to the process shrink.
 
Having had both a q6600 (3.8ghz), and a q9550, (also at 3.8ghz), i found virtually no performance difference in them at all, the 45nm q9550 was a bit easier to clock though and ran a heck of a lot cooler. The q9550 was an EO stepping 1.200 vid chip, needed 1.216 vcore for 3.8ghz and a lot less NB, PLL and VTT than the 65nm q6600 required, both chips were clocked on an Asus P5Q deluxe P45 board.
 
setter said:
Having had both a q6600 (3.8ghz), and a q9550, (also at 3.8ghz), i found virtually no performance difference in them at all, the 45nm q9550 was a bit easier to clock though and ran a heck of a lot cooler. The q9550 was an EO stepping 1.200 vid chip, needed 1.216 vcore for 3.8ghz and a lot less NB, PLL and VTT than the 65nm q6600 required, both chips were clocked on an Asus P5Q deluxe P45 board.
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You still got the full settings for the Q6600 on that P5Q board setter?
 
Heres all that i can remember, unfortunately i lost the notes id made of the settings.

cpu ratio, x9
fsb, 422
pcie freq, 101mhz
fsb-nb strap, 333mhz
vcore, 1.50625 in bios, (my q6600 had a vid of 1.2750, needed 1.4v for 3.6ghz)
cpu pll, 1.6
fsb-term, 1.34
nb, 1.34
vdimm, 2.02, on certain early bios revisions the p5q deluxe was known to overvolt ram by upto + 0.08v, my ocz reapers were rated at 2.1v so i knocked them down to 2.02, at that time i was using bios rev 0803, later flashed to 1406 as it was compatible with the q9550 i bought. Its also a bad idea to leave pll, fsb term and nb on auto or lowest manual setting on the deluxe, again due to dangerously high overvolting.
 
setter said:
Heres all that i can remember, unfortunately i lost the notes id made of the settings.

cpu ratio, x9
fsb, 422
pcie freq, 101mhz
fsb-nb strap, 333mhz
vcore, 1.50625 in bios, (my q6600 had a vid of 1.2750, needed 1.4v for 3.6ghz)
cpu pll, 1.6
fsb-term, 1.34
nb, 1.34
vdimm, 2.02, on certain early bios revisions the p5q deluxe was known to overvolt ram by upto + 0.08v, my ocz reapers were rated at 2.1v so i knocked them down to 2.02, at that time i was using bios rev 0803, later flashed to 1406 as it was compatible with the q9550 i bought. Its also a bad idea to leave pll, fsb term and nb on auto or lowest manual setting on the deluxe, again due to dangerously high overvolting.
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Thanks, just having a play with my settings, so will have a look at these.
 
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