Quantum Leap, Reboot Set At NBC With Pilot Order

ianh said:
Probably because to most people being "moral" and being "woke" are two vastly different things as, to most people, "woke" usually involve forcing changes to a persons morality with some form of 'punishment' if they don't change i.e morality is something you chose within you whilst "woke" is something pushed upon you.
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What you're talking about is merely the corrupted definition of 'woke' created by people who wanted to attack it because they're not. And I'm not sure you're on safe ground claiming that is 'most people'. Most people on this forum I could absolutely agree with. :D

You won't find that definition in a dictionary. Quantum Leap absolutely matched the actual definition of woke. As did most of the Star Trek series, despite people going bug-eyed crazy about Picard like they'd never seen the character before.
 
bazzabear said:
What you're talking about is merely the corrupted definition of 'woke' created by people who wanted to attack it because they're not. And I'm not sure you're on safe ground claiming that is 'most people'. Most people on this forum I could absolutely agree with. :D

You won't find that definition in a dictionary. Quantum Leap absolutely matched the actual definition of woke. As did most of the Star Trek series, despite people going bug-eyed crazy about Picard like they'd never seen the character before.
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I would agree in large but also disagree at the same time TBH but thats just over the definition of "woke". Whilst the Oxford English dictionary says that the definition of "woke" is "alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice" I personally would heavily disagree with that, solely due to the word "Alert". To me "woke" isn't only about being "alert to......" as that is a purely internal, passive mechanism i.e. it's something within you - "you are alert to....." etc, it is instead to me more about making everyone else believe what you believe i.e. forcing your views on others by taking your internal viewpoint, making it external and telling everyone to believe the same "or else", which we see evidenced in culture everyday.

For me if "woke" was just simply an internal belief system, where you kept what you believed to yourself, then I don't think people would care that much about being "woke", but instead what happens is that people who have a "woke" belief system tend to insist that everyone else believes what they do and if people won't change their views then the "woke" end up becoming enraged and try to punish the non-believers, just like proto-religion's did i.e. the "convert or die" of the past becomes "be woke or get banned" of today.

What I find QL and Star Trek etc did well was that decades ago they raised all these same "woke" issues as get raised today, but rather than angrily shouting and berating people they instead showed what people with a strong moral compass would do and left it for you as the audience member to decide whether you wanted to be the same as your strongly moral hero (the vast majority would) or if you sided with the bad guys (very few would). That method of changing societal behaviour is much slower than screaming in peoples faces but it has a far deeper positive effect in the long term as people feel like they've changed their own internal morality themselves rather than being forced to by an angry mob.
 
Gerard said:
Or a wheelchair bound minority furry transgender who identifies as a ferrari.
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Their handler (because Sam will be Cis or asexual) will also be a woman, probably a veteran with PTSD or something similar and they’ll develop feelings for each other because writers love a bit of personal drama and angst between main characters. They will, somehow, end up together and the show will decline in quality because of it.
 
I enjoyed the originals a kid. I don't remember them having a strong overarching story though. It was more Each episode was more procedural (for want of a better word), with maybe 2 mins towards the overarching story.

I remember moving on to Sliders when that came out.
 
They were once gona try to do a continued quantum leap i think unless fan inspired by using his daughter that somehow he had during the 3 parter where he was defending a women 3 times during 3 episodes from murder or some other such thing. Think her name was to be sam too. Which inherits his genius. So the story would be she would learn about her dad in the future and go off and try to find and rescue him.

Personally the way the show ended i figured since he learned how to leap himself, and with Al being saved on the last ep he decided to keep leaping since he could go back anytime he wanted to from then on and so went instead of randomly leaping he lept where he fancied and explored history tho he didnt do as much saving history anymore since he had no assistant to help him and was alone so he had no backup for info as to who he lept into but he just did short visits instead. One day he might have gone back even tho the end credits says he never returned home.

I wish they added the restored ending where it shows al with his wife and kids back to the last ep as it adds a lot. To official releases.
 
ianh said:
What I find QL and Star Trek etc did well was that decades ago they raised all these same "woke" issues as get raised today, but rather than angrily shouting and berating people they instead showed what people with a strong moral compass would do and left it for you as the audience member to decide whether you wanted to be the same as your strongly moral hero (the vast majority would) or if you sided with the bad guys (very few would). That method of changing societal behaviour is much slower than screaming in peoples faces but it has a far deeper positive effect in the long term as people feel like they've changed their own internal morality themselves rather than being forced to by an angry mob.
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And yet, in this thread, we have people getting irate at the (not even confirmed!) idea of a main character being female. Is the very existence of a woman "angrily shouting and berating people"?

Christ - when No Time To Die came out, there was a guy on here who described a throwaway line of "he'll be here any minute" as forcing homosexuality down our throats.
 
englishpremier said:
I enjoyed the originals a kid. I don't remember them having a strong overarching story though. It was more Each episode was more procedural (for want of a better word), with maybe 2 mins towards the overarching story..
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There wasn't an overall story arc you are quite right but there were call backs to previous episodes occasionally. Also there were a few minor story arcs in the last few seasons the final few episodes resolved a few things between Sam and Al which were very cool at the time.

Loved the show it's exploration of the past with a strong moral centre was very nicely done wiht more than it's fair share of comedic elements. I seem to remember we had an episode with Stephen King and one with Buddy Holly.
 
bazzabear said:
And yet, in this thread, we have people getting irate at the (not even confirmed!) idea of a main character being female. Is the very existence of a woman "angrily shouting and berating people"?
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I'd say no, in no way is a woman simply existing "angrily shouting and berating people" however to expand on that, the reaction from someone "woke" to anyone who asks the question of why the main character might be female is rarely an empathetic discussion from both sides but usually "angrily shouting and berating people" instead, usually from both sides TBF.

Personally I have no issue with anyone being cast as long as the story/scripts are good but long history has shown us, and it fairly undeniable at this point, that the vast majority of modern TV/Films which most people consider to be "woke" also tend to be poorly written and ratings failures (not all of course but most) so it's understandable that fans of a franchise are very weary when a modern reboot/sequel/re-imagining etc is proposed based on their past experience of the number of failures, something they don't want happening to something they like.

Again, if modern writing was better I really don't see there being anywhere near as much complaints about things being "woke" (there would always be some TBF) as the fans just want good TV/Films. I mean if Ghostbusters 2016 had been an amazingly written, fan loving film which paid homage to the OG films whilst adding something new (like the new Ghostbusters 2021 film does) I doubt it would have received anywhere near as much hate "after" it's release, although it would still have received abuse before release I'd say (a bit like the first WonderWoman film which was slated before release but then loved afterwards). A successful film may have gone a long way to preventing the subsequent "Oh no, they're going to ruin something I like by making it woke" attitude from fans too.
 
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Didnt like the first ep much, the cast was a bit meh apart from hudson. Ben wasnt too bad. The man/women ??? person i didnt like at all, please recast that! The woman thats bens gf is ok but meh kinda wanted someone like al who was a bit of a perv since no one could see him and his charm. The asian lass, meh shes in anything and everything (bsg, sg) and still dont like her.

The leap effect has been toned right down and no sfx i think iirc from it, its basically crap in this vs original effect.

Ziggy isnt talking in this one :(

The hand link is meh vs original, it doesnt have quirky sounds or the woman hitting it to work to get info out of it like al used to.

The imaging chamber, is there anyone in there to keep out of the way while the leapers in their body anymore?

Did like seeing beth again even tho it was a short time.

I miss the oh boy catchphrase, even tho we almost got it in ep2.

Also wheres all the future stuff from the original, it would have been good to expand on all that in this but nope it just looks like modern day. I know back then they didnt know what 2022 would be like so they tried a few things (remember al chasing a bad guy in the car and the women and all the led lights. I would have like to see a fleshed out version of 2022 in the show.

Oh and they use far too much screen time on the 2022 stuff, it should be rare story catchups for that stuff, most of the original was us seeing the leaper and figuring why he was there and getting on with it.
 
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SkeeterUK said:
Didnt like the first ep much, the cast was a bit meh apart from hudson. Ben wasnt too bad. The man/women ??? person i didnt like at all, please recast that! The woman thats bens gf is ok but meh kinda wanted someone like al who was a bit of a perv since no one could see him and his charm. The asian lass, meh shes in anything and everything (bsg, sg) and still dont like her.

The leap effect has been toned right down and no sfx i think iirc from it, its basically crap in this vs original effect.

Ziggy isnt talking in this one :(

The hand link is meh vs original, it doesnt have quirky sounds or the woman hitting it to work to get info out of it like al used to.

The imaging chamber, is there anyone in there to keep out of the way while the leapers in their body anymore?

Did like seeing beth again even tho it was a short time.

I miss the oh boy catchphrase, even tho we almost got it in ep2.

Also wheres all the future stuff from the original, it would have been good to expand on all that in this but nope it just looks like modern day. I know back then they didnt know what 2022 would be like so they tried a few things (remember al chasing a bad guy in the car and the women and all the led lights. I would have like to see a fleshed out version of 2022 in the show.

Oh and they use far too much screen time on the 2022 stuff, it should be rare story catchups for that stuff, most of the original was us seeing the leaper and figuring why he was there and getting on with it.
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It will get better give it time even the original was that way at start. Have a little open mind at first and let them find their feet. Also we fans of the original need time to get use to the new characters .. this is what I went threw the new characters but they are fine really and the main guy Ben is very good.
 
I loved the show as a. Teenage kid
Was one of my can't miss sit down to watch things. Although my memories are foggy for sure.
It was an introduction to US history for me as well as cool sci-fi.
The "oh boy" moment where he jumped into a new person and sees a reflection, etc etc.. brilliant job on a cliff hanger.
That music theme is as iconic as it gets, I hope they kept it.

I'll try and catch this to see how they ruined it :p

Where's it streaming or is it yarrrrr?
 
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