Queuing

[Sadgeek]

I find this to be quite annoying too I am very happy to let people in but its the people who steam up in the merging lane to get ahead then try to force their way in it really narks me

What is this "merging lane" that you speak of?

If there's two lanes, then there's two lanes nothing more or less than that.

So in response to the OP, if you are queuing up in a post office to claim your housing benefit and infront of you are twenty other likeminded people how would you feel if I walked in and jumped straight to the front of the queue to claim my £15 premium bond win?

What if there is a big sign above the two aisles that say "merge in turn" and everyone still insists on sitting in the left aisle. Would you still get so annoyed, as this is what is happening on the roads every day.

As regards the situation with the roundabout, there is no reason why drivers shouldn't use the right hand lane to go straight over, providing it is not the first exit and there are no road markings to the contrary. From the Highway Code Rule 162:
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162: Signals and position, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise.
When taking the first exit

* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave.

When taking any intermediate exit

* select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout, signalling as necessary
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When taking the last exit or going full circle

* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

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[Will Gill]

What if there is a big sign above the two aisles that say "merge in turn" and everyone still insists on sitting in the left aisle. Would you still get so annoyed, as this is what is happening on the roads every day.

As regards the situation with the roundabout, there is no reason why drivers shouldn't use the right hand lane to go straight over, providing it is not the first exit and there are no road markings to the contrary. From the Highway Code Rule 162:
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The aisle you speak of would be titled "push in here and cause all other queues to grind to a halt", this talk of merging in where there is a gap is fine but on the whole its rarely as smooth as you claim, generally you will be entering at a faster speed than the patient/sensible drivers meaning you will have to brake, by braking you will most likely cause the driver behind to brake, this causes the driver behind them to brake and so on.

with regard to the roundabout comment, if you read my post you will note that there is a right turn only marking in the right hand lane, making your cut and paste a rather redundant snippet.

If you have to drive in this manner due to a lack of time I'd suggest leaving earlier or buying a faster car because the whole "merge" just before the junction idea in reality doesnt work and makes people look like muppets when they are sat holding up an entire lane of traffic while they selfishly push in to save themselves five minutes of queuing.

 

[kip02]

why should other people have to queue up and you just push in at the start of the queue?

I have the same situation every single morning, there is a roundabout which has two lanes, everyday the patient people of the world queue up in the left hand lane to cross over to the second exit and everyday selfish muppets zoom down the right hand lane and then assume they can push in on the other side of the roundabout where its only a single lane.

Boils my blood, I think I've had at least seven fights at that very roundabout, funniest thing is the willymounters know they are in the wrong yet continue to do it.

Same thing happens to me on the way home everynight. Had many a fight with people at the junction, even nealy ran someone off the road becuase i was so ****** off . Was in my old car though that wasn't worth much vs a new A4 so no contest which one would come off worse or who would have to back down. Made me feel better though, and the bloke in the car behind me appriciated it. lol I have to que so what makes them feel that they don't have to.

 

[Freefaller]

How about going onto the roundabout and doing a full 360 - or is that too cheeky for some?

 

[osc89er]

How about going onto the roundabout and doing a full 360 - or is that too cheeky for some?

I bet most people wouldn't even notice when that happens.

 

[Berger]

never usually sit in the queue unless I'm really not in a hurry.

I either go nearer the end and nip in a gap, 99% of the time there always is. The 1% of the time there isn't I just go to the next junction as it's about 500m away

What I desteste and really wish peopel wouldn't do is stop/brake very harshly IN THE MIDDLE LANE OF THE MOTORWAY, and sit there stationary with their indicator on. This winds me up something chronic.

Its not merge in turn, but this is what i do, because usually when im about to "jump the queue" the single lane splits into two, and some of the cars are using the left hand lane, to head southbound on the ring road, and i want to be in the right hand lane to go northbound. So far every time i have done this, ive found a gap, dont always drive right to the front, im just not sitting in loads of queued traffic if i dont have to.

In an ideal world yup everyone would queue and the motorway would flow perfectly well, but thats not the case!

 

[Freefaller]

I bet most people wouldn't even notice when that happens.

I don't do it often.... just from time to time when I'm feeling cheeky Ah well

 

[saitrix]

what makes my scenario even worse is the initial two lanes become one and the right lane of the roundabout is clearly labelled with a dirty big right turn only arrow.

I know it's a bit cheeky but I can't see it as breaking the highwaycode. Now you go in the right turn lane but instead of turning right go all the way round the roundabout, that way you will be in the correct lane when coming off the roundabout.

Edit - I hadn't noticed Will had already posted the same.

 

[Fishman]

If these people had their way then traffic would back up twice as far and everyone would be there twice as long.

Excuse me, when there is a bottleneck there is a bottleneck, even 1000000 lanes effectively merging into 1 it is no faster and usually slower to have more lanes than 1.

 

[-Laser-]

How about going onto the roundabout and doing a full 360 - or is that too cheeky for some?

kinda done that before but not to cut a big queue, just a little one, and i was bypassing cars taking 1st exit when i was taking 2nd (technically should have been same lane) but my exit was clear and the 1st was blocked up.

generally, i won't cut in, just to skip the queue (and won't let in other people attempting to do so), but if the road is changing from two lanes to one after traffic lights, i will often take the right lane (unless it is right turn only) and merge-in accordingly.

 

[PeterNem]

I don't do it often.... just from time to time when I'm feeling cheeky Ah well

There's a roundabout near my parents that I do it on quite a lot. large roundabout, 5 exits, when approaching from the dual carriageway the left lane is for exists 1 and 2, and the right lane for 3 and 4. I usually want exit 1, but the left lane is always much busier and the right lane nearly always empty. If there's a slow vehicle at the front I'll just out accelerate it off the line in plenty of time to cut across for exit 1 (it's a v. large roundabout, the you have to travel a bit before the exit, so you dont litterally need to cut right in front of them). Failing that I'll do a whole lap of the roundabout.

 

[Freefaller]

Besides it's fun chucking it round a roundabout

 

[saitrix]

Besides it's fun chucking it round a roundabout

Saying you like chucking your car around roundabouts and saying you overtake people who are doing 60 in NSL in one day. I'm starting to think the turbo has turned you into a hooligan.

 

[Siliconslave]

Saying you like chucking your car around roundabouts and saying you overtake people who are doing 60 in NSL in one day. I'm starting to think the turbo has turned you into a hooligan.

i've seen some of his overtaking manovers pre-turbo and he was defernatly a hooligan then

and yer, i'll do the round the roundabout thing - its not the cutting in thing that bothers me, more the getting in the way of everyone else - grrr

 

[Freefaller]

Saying you like chucking your car around roundabouts and saying you overtake people who are doing 60 in NSL in one day. I'm starting to think the turbo has turned you into a hooligan.

I was worse before You haven't seen me on 2 wheels yet either

Hmm I hope the IAM don't find out about this

 

[saitrix]

I was worse before You haven't seen me on 2 wheels yet either

Hmm I hope the IAM don't find out about this

Dude you have nothing to worry about. I do that and have my IAM sticker on my car.

 

[whitecrook]

If you have to drive in this manner due to a lack of time I'd suggest leaving earlier or buying a faster car because the whole "merge" just before the junction idea in reality doesnt work and makes people look like muppets when they are sat holding up an entire lane of traffic while they selfishly push in to save themselves five minutes of queuing.

I think you'll find the muppets in this situation are not the people who drive up the side and try to merge in - it's the folk who bunch up and refuse to allow the person TO merge in, in turn , that are the real muppets of this situation.

These are also the people that cause stop start traffic... a little bit of distance between you and the car in front works wonders for the flow of the traffic.

 

[Will Gill]

I think you'll find the muppets in this situation are not the people who drive up the side and try to merge in - it's the folk who bunch up and refuse to allow the person TO merge in, in turn , that are the real muppets of this situation.

These are also the people that cause stop start traffic... a little bit of distance between you and the car in front works wonders for the flow of the traffic.

so we are the muppets for not letting you push in....

love your logic

 

[Simon]

Go in the right lane, then all the way around the roundabout taking the exit you would have needed to be in the left lane to take.

Nothing wrong with that

Nah seriously, I don't mind queuing. Saves looking a nobber pushing in front of anyone. Anyone who does it won't get let in by me anyway

 

[whitecrook]

so we are the muppets for not letting you push in....

love your logic

That's what I'm saying people wouldn't have to 'push in' if folk left a bit of space. They could merge in. I know, we'll call it merge-in-turn....