Quick question about blu-ray

Gerard · 5 Oct 2006 at 20:51

Can anyone tell me what the hell theyre gonna use 30-50 gigs of storage capacity for in games? How many games on ps2 or pc actually used the full 8.5 gigs of storage and needed 2 discs? I can't think of any besides some of the resident evil games which didn't even use full capacity discs. :confused:

t@xman · 5 Oct 2006 at 20:54

CGI - the Japanese love to use CGI, and I've no doubt Square and a few of the other RPG makers will love all that extra space

McManicMan · 5 Oct 2006 at 20:57

its because Sony want them to use the space to make Blu-Ray look that extra bit special and worthwhile

NokkonWud · 5 Oct 2006 at 21:01

t@xman said:
CGI - the Japanese love to use CGI, and I've no doubt Square and a few of the other RPG makers will love all that extra space

CGI costs an absolute fortune, thats why so many games use in-engine cutscenes.

Oops Dead Again · 5 Oct 2006 at 21:02

I don't mind the use of cgi for cut scenes etc, its when you can't skip them that gets on my nerves

t@xman · 5 Oct 2006 at 21:06

NokkonWud said:
CGI costs an absolute fortune, thats why so many games use in-engine cutscenes.

yep, but if you'll notice that Europ[ean and US games tend to use ingame assets, whereas Japanese games tend to prefer CGI.......don't ask me why, just seems to be the case!

img · 5 Oct 2006 at 21:20

sony have stuck blue ray in ps3 for movies from whats been said mainly.

Rhys · 5 Oct 2006 at 21:29

Apparently space = no compression = faster loading.

Also hi def sound.

Also several regions data on one cd.

DaveyD · 5 Oct 2006 at 23:26

It's also for Blu-Ray DVDs as well, which you should get better picture quality on there and sound too.

cheets64 · 6 Oct 2006 at 00:47

Market ********, it makes it look new and advanced simple as, people will think, well the PS3 has BLU-RAY while the Xbox 360 has HD-DVD optional.

Ultra_Extreme · 6 Oct 2006 at 02:33

copy protection.....be a while before any jo blo owns a BR drive, even longer before he owns one capable of faultless 1:1 copies (heck only a few DVD9 media/burner combo's manage it NOW years after DVD9 started) thus......very little chance of mass chipping/modding

cheets64 · 6 Oct 2006 at 02:42

Ultra_Extreme said:
copy protection.....be a while before any jo blo owns a BR drive, even longer before he owns one capable of faultless 1:1 copies (heck only a few DVD9 media/burner combo's manage it NOW years after DVD9 started) thus......very little chance of mass chipping/modding

Never thought of that, Blu Ray writer cost about £15,000 now

Smit · 6 Oct 2006 at 09:43

BluRay writers are only around £600 now, within the next 6 months or so I'd be surpised if the price doesn't fall sharply.

Caustic · 6 Oct 2006 at 10:03

Rhys said:
Apparently space = no compression = faster loading.

Actually, it is the opposite. Blu-Ray drives are actually slower than DVD drives. Even decent web sites get it the wrong way around, claiming that one of the advantages of Blu-Ray is faster load times, it isn't.

z0mbi3 · 6 Oct 2006 at 10:09

Caustic said:
Actually, it is the opposite. Blu-Ray drives are actually slower than DVD drives. Even decent web sites get it the wrong way around, claiming that one of the advantages of Blu-Ray is faster load times, it isn't.

I don't think he meant the actual speed of the drive, but the advantages of the ps3 not having to deal with decompression.

Not claiming I know how well it works, or even how it works. Just how I understood it.

JimmyEatWorms · 6 Oct 2006 at 13:50

z0mbi3 said:
I don't think he meant the actual speed of the drive, but the advantages of the ps3 not having to deal with decompression.

Not claiming I know how well it works, or even how it works. Just how I understood it.

But the bottle neck is always going to be the drive rather than the processor or memory so the less data that needs to be read off it the faster things will load. Decompressed data will probably increase loading times.

Caustic · 6 Oct 2006 at 15:23

JimmyEatWorms said:
But the bottle neck is always going to be the drive rather than the processor or memory so the less data that needs to be read off it the faster things will load. Decompressed data will probably increase loading times.

Exactly, it would be faster to load compressed data, and decompress on the fly than load in the uncompressed data in the first place. Indeed, you might have to, a video might have to be compressed fairly well, in order to make it play at real time as optical disk drives are not that fast.

Energize · 6 Oct 2006 at 16:24

Caustic said:
Actually, it is the opposite. Blu-Ray drives are actually slower than DVD drives. Even decent web sites get it the wrong way around, claiming that one of the advantages of Blu-Ray is faster load times, it isn't.

Err blu-ray drives have transfer rates of 72MB/s at 2x which is quite a bit faster than dvds 22MB/s at 16x.

"andy" · 6 Oct 2006 at 16:31

im sure its always nice knowing the space is there to use even if they dont need it straight away.

anyone know if games will make use of the HDD space ? surely using it oculd help loading times too ?

Phil99 · 6 Oct 2006 at 16:40

Energize said:
Err blu-ray drives have transfer rates of 72MB/s at 2x which is quite a bit faster than dvds 22MB/s at 16x.

72Mbps = 9MBps