Quick question on the Gigabyte GA_P35_DS4

scottyboy · 30 Jul 2007 at 13:33

I wanna get this ordered today so it comes tomorrow (dunno what the deadline is). but some quick qs..

1. will my artic cooler freezer 7 pro fit?

2. will geil 2gb ddr2 800mhz work with it

I have a zalman "flower" northbridge heatsink. Can I actually use that on this mobo or is the cooler unmoddable? would there be any advantage if i could?

thanks

WJA96 · 30 Jul 2007 at 19:45

scottyboy said:
I wanna get this ordered today so it comes tomorrow (dunno what the deadline is). but some quick qs..

1. will my artic cooler freezer 7 pro fit?

Yes. Just.

scottyboy said:
2. will geil 2gb ddr2 800mhz work with it

Yes. But you may need to boot it with just one stick to allow you to adjust the voltage up to [+0.3V] to give 2.1V.

scottyboy said:
I have a zalman "flower" northbridge heatsink. Can I actually use that on this mobo or is the cooler unmoddable? would there be any advantage if i could?

The fitted cooler runs completely cool to the touch even with a massive overclock on, so there is really no benefit in fitting an aftermarket cooler. Plus the coolers are all joined up, so you would have to replace the S/B, N/B, Mosfet and VRM coolers too.

scottyboy · 30 Jul 2007 at 20:48

WJA96 said:
Yes. Just.

Yes. But you may need to boot it with just one stick to allow you to adjust the voltage up to [+0.3V] to give 2.1V.

The fitted cooler runs completely cool to the touch even with a massive overclock on, so there is really no benefit in fitting an aftermarket cooler. Plus the coolers are all joined up, so you would have to replace the S/B, N/B, Mosfet and VRM coolers too.

thanks but will a Tuniq Tower fit instead of the Freezer 7 pro?

Wingz · 30 Jul 2007 at 21:28

scottyboy said:
thanks but will a Tuniq Tower fit instead of the Freezer 7 pro?

yes it will fit

scottyboy · 30 Jul 2007 at 22:14

WJA96 said:
Yes. But you may need to boot it with just one stick to allow you to adjust the voltage up to [+0.3V] to give 2.1V.

I will do that cause that may be why my previous DS3 mobo got fried when it was new. How does +0.3 = 2.1v? Do i have to set +0.3v to each dimm slot..I actually went into BIOS with the old mobo but had no idea what I was supposed to change..

WJA96 · 31 Jul 2007 at 05:17

scottyboy said:
I will do that cause that may be why my previous DS3 mobo got fried when it was new. How does +0.3 = 2.1v? Do i have to set +0.3v to each dimm slot..I actually went into BIOS with the old mobo but had no idea what I was supposed to change..

Stock voltage is 1.8V, so 1.8V+0.3V=2.1V

If you don't know what you're doing, then PLEASE leave well alone until you do. At £100 a pop it's an expensive way to learn.

There are (and have been for ages) excellent overclocking instructions for the DS3 in the first post of this thread.

If you work your way through those settings you won't go far wrong. The BIOS is nearly identical in the P35-DS4 as well, and the the same principles apply.

When you get the board, post again and I'll talk you through the overclocking setup.

scottyboy · 31 Jul 2007 at 15:14

WJA96 said:
When you get the board, post again and I'll talk you through the overclocking setup.

thanks a lot, will do.

scottyboy · 14 Aug 2007 at 23:03

WJA96 said:
Stock voltage is 1.8V, so 1.8V+0.3V=2.1V

If you don't know what you're doing, then PLEASE leave well alone until you do. At £100 a pop it's an expensive way to learn.

There are (and have been for ages) excellent overclocking instructions for the DS3 in the first post of this thread.

If you work your way through those settings you won't go far wrong. The BIOS is nearly identical in the P35-DS4 as well, and the the same principles apply.

When you get the board, post again and I'll talk you through the overclocking setup.

ok i have the board and everything is installed but I havent turned it on yet...I have put both memory sticks in but if its safer, I can take one out until the voltage is changed. Can u talk me through it?

I wanna overclock the cpu to 3ghz, maybe the memory, and definetly the graphics card.

Core 2 Duo E2160 "LGA775 Conroe" 1.80GHz w/tuniq tower
GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC6400C4 800MHz Ultra Low Latency DDR2 Dual Channel
sapphire Ati X1900gt w/zalman vf900-cu vga cooler

I have never overclocked the grphics card and seeing as it has a good vga cooler on it I might as well. The main thing is the cpu though which i think is something like this..

FSB: 333
Multi: 9
Vcore: 1.425v

But yeah, can you tell me what to do?

thanks

WJA96 · 15 Aug 2007 at 08:40

Turn it on and run it at stock for at least 12 hours to make sure everything is OK and get the operating system installed. Don't even think about overclocking until you know you have a stable system at stock. If you can, burn the system in with Orthos so you get a good idea of the temperatures at stock speeds, so you know what is REALLY hot once you get overclocking.

scottyboy · 16 Aug 2007 at 23:08

WJA96 said:
Turn it on and run it at stock for at least 12 hours to make sure everything is OK and get the operating system installed. Don't even think about overclocking until you know you have a stable system at stock. If you can, burn the system in with Orthos so you get a good idea of the temperatures at stock speeds, so you know what is REALLY hot once you get overclocking.

ok I left it for like 15 hours and its all ok.

just a coupel things first..

1. I have this tuniq tower turned all the way to the lowest setting. what RPM is that? the cpu temp is 32 and sys temp 44.

2. Its really quiet but as soon as I turn it up... :eek:

its way too loud. "Ultra Quiet" it says on the box.....

3. I also have the fan connecter installed in the sys_fan head on the motherboard and not the cpu_fan - reason being its a nightmare to get to the cpu fan. that doesnt matter though does it?

4. cpu-z is reporting my memory at 400mhz. shouldnt it be 800mhz?

right now can you tell me what I need to change in bios to overclock this

thanks

WJA96 · 17 Aug 2007 at 10:08

scottyboy said:
1. I have this tuniq tower turned all the way to the lowest setting. what RPM is that? the cpu temp is 32 and sys temp 44.

That is the motherboard socket temperature. The Core2Duos have temperature sensors on the cores that Intel Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT) can display. The socket might be 32C, but the cores are likely to be much hotter. Also - is that the temperature under continuous load or at idle?

What does TAT say?

scottyboy said:
2. Its really quiet but as soon as I turn it up... its way too loud. "Ultra Quiet" it says on the box.....

They lied. You can a) get over it or b) buy a better fan. You can live with it while we overclock though, no?

scottyboy said:
3. I also have the fan connecter installed in the sys_fan head on the motherboard and not the cpu_fan - reason being its a nightmare to get to the cpu fan. that doesnt matter though does it?

Nope.

scottyboy said:
4. cpu-z is reporting my memory at 400mhz. shouldnt it be 800mhz?

No - it's correctly reporting the FSB speed of the RAM, you have to multiply by 2 to get the true speed.

scottyboy said:
right now can you tell me what I need to change in bios to overclock this

Yes, but first establish what the CPU temperature maxes out at with TAT. We don't want to be trying to increase anything if your cooling isn't right.

scottyboy · 18 Aug 2007 at 21:15

WJA96 said:
They lied. You can a) get over it or b) buy a better fan. You can live with it while we overclock though, no?

I thought this was one of the best fans? should have really just kept my freezer 7pro. what would you say is better (quieter)?

This is what TAT is showing..bear in mind ive got the TT at the lowest rpm.

this is at 100% workload (left it running for about 15 mins before taking the pic and this is about the highest it went to

WJA96 · 19 Aug 2007 at 09:07

Those temperatures look fine, especially with the fan turned right down.

Boot into the BIOS and try the following;

Go to Advanced Chipset Features and find the following;

CPU Enhanced Halt (C1e) - set to [DISABLED]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) - set to [DISABLED]
CPU EIST Function - set to [DISABLED]

Full Screen LOGO Show - set to [DISABLED] so you can see the boot information about the CPU and RAM speeds

Press Esc to leave that menu and arrow down to MB Intelligent Tweaker

Try the following settings;

CPU Host Clock Control - [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [266]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) - [100]
C.I.A. 2 - [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) - [2.00]
High Speed DRAM DLL Settings - [Option 1]
Performance Enhance - [Standard]

System Voltage Control - [Manual]
DDR2 Overvoltage Control [+0.2]
PCI-E Overvoltage Control - [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control - [Normal]
(G)MCH Overvoltage Control - [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control - [Set it to whatever the Normal CPU VCore says in the line below]

Try those settings which will give you a full 33% overclock and hopefully only a tiny increase in temperatures as we've not actually hiked any voltages.

I've found the stock voltages good to about 350MHz, after which I had to use

System Voltage Control - [Manual]
DDR2 Overvoltage Control [+0.3]
PCI-E Overvoltage Control - [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control - [+0.1]
(G)MCH Overvoltage Control - [+0.2]

make sure you know how to reset the system just in case it doesn't auto-recover!

Good luck.

scottyboy · 19 Aug 2007 at 17:09

ok I'll look in the bios and do all that now.

what about changing this stuff though?

FSB: 333
Multi: 9
Vcore: 1.425v

WJA96 · 19 Aug 2007 at 18:49

scottyboy said:
FSB: 333

WJA96 said:
CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [266]

scottyboy said:
Multi: 9

Leave it until you can't get any higher, then try it at 8x or 7x later on to see if you get a higher absolute overclock.

scottyboy said:
Vcore: 1.425v

WJA96 said:
CPU Voltage Control - [Set it to whatever the Normal CPU VCore says in the line below]

You need to read the post and understand what you are about to do please!

Core 2 Duo E2160 "LGA775 Conroe" 1.80GHz is an 800MHz part, so your base FSB will be 200. By increasing it to CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [266]
(2.4GHz), you've got a 33% overclock, which should be fine with no voltage increases. If it will do CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [333] at stock voltages, then fine, but I rather doubt it.

There are two ways you can go about this. You can set the CPU Voltage to 1.475V (should be plenty to get you to 400FSB) and just keep cranking up the FSB then turn the voltages down once you've reached stability or you can see how fast it will go on stock volts and then increase the voltage slowly.

The choice is yours, but I'm of the start low and turn things up slowly school. Most CPUs get better with time as the thermal compound sets up, so confirm it's stable at 2.4GHz, then try CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [300] which is 2.7GHz and see if that's stable. Then go for 333MHz, then 366MHz and then 400MHz. You shouldn't need to touch the chipset voltages until you exceed 350MHz if my E4300 system is anything to go by.

See how it goes, but be careful. You shouldn't be able to damage anything, but even so, just be careful.

scottyboy · 19 Aug 2007 at 20:13

WJA96 said:
Leave it until you can't get any higher, then try it at 8x or 7x later on to see if you get a higher absolute overclock.

just checked, and the cpu clock frequency is already set to 9x by default?! :confused:

can only choose between 6 to 9.

just printing this out now, will do the changes now and post if there stuff im not sure about.

WJA96 · 19 Aug 2007 at 20:18

Yes - it's 9 at stock speed - 9 x 200MHz = 1800MHz which is the stock speed of the 2160. You're going to turn it up to 266 x 9 which is 2400MHz, then we're going to see how much more we can get. 333MHz is the minimum I think should be feasible, which is 3GHz or a 66% overclock. We might be lucky and get 366MHz+ (3.33GHz), but lets see

scottyboy · 19 Aug 2007 at 21:32

ok...

Boot into the BIOS and try the following;

Go to Advanced Chipset Features and find the following;

CPU Enhanced Halt (C1e) - set to [DISABLED]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) - set to [DISABLED]
CPU EIST Function - set to [DISABLED]

Full Screen LOGO Show - set to [DISABLED] so you can see the boot information about the CPU and RAM speeds

Press Esc to leave that menu and arrow down to MB Intelligent Tweaker

Try the following settings;

CPU Host Clock Control - [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz) - [266]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) - [100]
C.I.A. 2 - [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) - [2.00]
High Speed DRAM DLL Settings - [Option 1]
Performance Enhance - [Standard]

System Voltage Control - [Manual]
DDR2 Overvoltage Control [+0.2]
PCI-E Overvoltage Control - [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control - [Normal]
(G)MCH Overvoltage Control - [Normal]
CPU Voltage Control - [Set it to whatever the Normal CPU VCore says in the line below]

Try those settings which will give you a full 33% overclock and hopefully only a tiny increase in temperatures as we've not actually hiked any voltages.

I've done all that now. I think 333 will be enough, I dont wanna have to crank this TT fan on full blast but I will try whatever if I can.

now just so I know this is right..

"You can set the CPU Voltage to 1.475V (should be plenty to get you to 400FSB) and just keep cranking up the FSB then turn the voltages down once you've reached stability"

Im gonna set it to 1.475V and put it on 333 and see if thats stable. If it is, what do I turn the voltage down to? also if somethign goes wrong, like it wont display or anything, I just reset the cmos right?

WJA96 · 19 Aug 2007 at 21:47

You can turn it down to whatever is stable. If you're only going for 333MHz then try 1.3875V instead of 1.475 as that's way over the top for 333MHz.

scottyboy · 19 Aug 2007 at 21:50

WJA96 said:
You can turn it down to whatever is stable. If you're only going for 333MHz then try 1.3875V instead of 1.475 as that's way over the top for 333MHz.

ok but whats the risk in leaving the voltage high? Im gonna set it to that 1.38750v @ 333 and see how that is. I will post the TAT as well..