Quick question on weightlifting...

Raz · 25 Oct 2006 at 20:29

Hey all

I've decided that the best time for me to go gym is in the morning before work, around 7.30am. After work it's just too busy and can't really do a decent workout. So I need to know what would be the best way to fuel for this? I can have breakfast around 6am but would that be enough time before the workout?

Don't really want to try it on an empty stomach...

Thanks

Raz

Chong Warrior · 25 Oct 2006 at 20:37

If you can train at 7.30am and eat at 6am then that is perfect. Get loads of oats into you and some protein.

Bacon & Eggs with a piece of toast (brown),
Porridge

Perfect

Raz · 25 Oct 2006 at 20:41

Chong Warrior said:
If you can train at 7.30am and eat at 6am then that is perfect. Get loads of oats into you and some protein.

Bacon & Eggs with a piece of toast (brown),
Porridge

Perfect

Ok, no bacon for me. So say 50g oats with whey at 6am should be ok? It'll be 2 times a week with no cardio on those days, just looking to go gym and do my workout.

cleanbluesky · 25 Oct 2006 at 21:04

Raz said:
Ok, no bacon for me.

You need the power of bacon...

Just kidding, i laughed when I looked at your username and someone suggested bacon. You could try some protein powder in the morning, along with your oats. But do you want to start your day with protein powder?

A2Z · 25 Oct 2006 at 21:05

cleanbluesky said:
But do you want to start your day with protein powder?

whats wrong with that?

Raz · 25 Oct 2006 at 21:12

A2Z said:
whats wrong with that?

hmm...I'm going to have to 'un-ignore CBS' but good question, what's wrong with that? I was taking that before I started fasting without any problems.

Still, oats + whey + water should be ok hopefully, unless it's too soon to workout after having that?

Chong Warrior · 25 Oct 2006 at 22:02

Raz said:
Ok, no bacon for me. So say 50g oats with whey at 6am should be ok? It'll be 2 times a week with no cardio on those days, just looking to go gym and do my workout.

Just eat more eggs or a bit of chicken?

Get some real food in you soon as you wake up, don't rely on supplements. If you can only eat 2 eggs with some porridge then altogether that's roughly 20g-25g of protein. Top that up with another 20g of whey about 45 mins before you hit the gym, or just take it all together it's not really THAT important.

Ideally though try to get about 40g of protein in you during breakfast from real food.

As for the oats, depends on your goals. If you're looking to cut then 50g is plenty, looking to gain strength and size? Then take a bit more.

Use Whey protein straight after your workout with some carbs.

Chong Warrior · 25 Oct 2006 at 22:05

cleanbluesky said:
You need the power of bacon...

Just kidding, i laughed when I looked at your username and someone suggested bacon.

Styles · 25 Oct 2006 at 23:00

Chong Warrior said:
If you can train at 7.30am and eat at 6am then that is perfect. Get loads of oats into you and some protein.

Bacon & Eggs with a piece of toast (brown),
Porridge

Perfect

Toast is a little odd there, it's just empty calories. If you'd said toast by itself I would be extremely worried. But you didn't...so nevermind.

Have a shake first thing in the morning, you need to get some protein back in it's all going to be gone whilst your body is repairing overnight.

Nazbit · 25 Oct 2006 at 23:39

Not much to add to whats already been said really.

6am is a decent time to be eating if your training an hour and a half later, try to get some good protein down you, real food if possible, so scrambled eggs, bacon or to a lesser degree porridge would all be fine.

There is nothing wrong with having a shake in the morning infact I would reccomend it, but along side real food for the best results.

With the exception of straight after a session, breakfast is your most important protein intake as your body will have easily used up the protein from the day before and will have gone without for several hours.

Styles · 26 Oct 2006 at 00:31

Why are people concerned about having a shake in the morning? You should have a shake as soon as you wake up.

Raz · 26 Oct 2006 at 07:11

Many thanks to all you lovely ladies for the advice

Chong Warrior · 26 Oct 2006 at 16:26

S7yl3s said:
Toast is a little odd there, it's just empty calories. If you'd said toast by itself I would be extremely worried. But you didn't...so nevermind.

What's wrong with toast as long as you use good bread and don't burn it?

S7yl3s said:
Why are people concerned about having a shake in the morning? You should have a shake as soon as you wake up.

I'm not concerned but the optimal time for a shake is immediately after a workout, he's going to be training within 90 mins and has just woken up. He needs to get some real food in him ideally and not rely on shakes too much that's all.

You honestly think it would be better for him to wake up, drink a protein shake, go training and then drink another shake? When does he eat real food? It would be after 10am before he'd actually get to eat something substantial, hardly ideal.

I'll just say I also drink about 20g of Whey soon as I wake up just for a quick boost of amino's after my long nights fast. Takes me about 30 mins before I can eat properly in a morning. I get what you're saying but in his case I think he'd be better off with eggs, etc first.

Chong Warrior · 26 Oct 2006 at 16:31

Nazbit said:
6am is a decent time to be eating if your training an hour and a half later, try to get some good protein down you, real food if possible, so scrambled eggs, bacon or to a lesser degree porridge would all be fine.

I disagree with your comment about the 'porridge to a lesser degree' I can't think of a better time to be eating oats than 90 mins before a hard slog in the gym.

Nazbit said:
There is nothing wrong with having a shake in the morning infact I would reccomend it, but along side real food for the best results.

I agree. Optimally get some food in and maybe about 15g of whey, that's how I do it sometimes to make sure I'm getting enough protein. It's just I try to be more carefull these days when advising on forums as it's easy for people to get the idea they can just rely on supplements a bit too much.

Raz · 26 Oct 2006 at 19:33

Chong Warrior said:
What's wrong with toast as long as you use good bread and don't burn it?

I'm not concerned but the optimal time for a shake is immediately after a workout, he's going to be training within 90 mins and has just woken up. He needs to get some real food in him ideally and not rely on shakes too much that's all.

You honestly think it would be better for him to wake up, drink a protein shake, go training and then drink another shake? When does he eat real food? It would be after 10am before he'd actually get to eat something substantial, hardly ideal.

I'll just say I also drink about 20g of Whey soon as I wake up just for a quick boost of amino's after my long nights fast. Takes me about 30 mins before I can eat properly in a morning. I get what you're saying but in his case I think he'd be better off with eggs, etc first.

I was thinking that I could have the shake when I wake, then after the work-out grab a egg or tuna sandwhich on the way to work?

Chong Warrior · 26 Oct 2006 at 20:05

Raz said:
I was thinking that I could have the shake when I wake, then after the work-out grab a egg or tuna sandwhich on the way to work?

At the end of the day it's what ever works for you. Some people take it more seriously than others. I train hard so I want to eat optimally and get the most from my hard effort in the gym.

If your question is, can you do it? of course

but if you want to know is it the best diet planning? then I'd say no.

egt · 26 Oct 2006 at 22:27

As Chong says, there's no sustitute for real food.

There seems to be a big dependency on protein drinks around here, thats fine, but if you eat correctly, i've found there really is no need for them

Styles · 27 Oct 2006 at 01:36

egt said:
As Chong says, there's no sustitute for real food.

There seems to be a big dependency on protein drinks around here, thats fine, but if you eat correctly, i've found there really is no need for them

Then I would be extremely suprised if you're getting enough protein in a day.
Otherwise the sheer volume of meat etc you would be eating would be huge.

There are reasons pro BB still use shakes multiple times a day, and that's to supplement their diet so they take in the correct amount of protein.

Styles · 27 Oct 2006 at 01:39

Chong Warrior said:
What's wrong with toast as long as you use good bread and don't burn it?

I'm not concerned but the optimal time for a shake is immediately after a workout, he's going to be training within 90 mins and has just woken up. He needs to get some real food in him ideally and not rely on shakes too much that's all.

You honestly think it would be better for him to wake up, drink a protein shake, go training and then drink another shake? When does he eat real food? It would be after 10am before he'd actually get to eat something substantial, hardly ideal.

I'll just say I also drink about 20g of Whey soon as I wake up just for a quick boost of amino's after my long nights fast. Takes me about 30 mins before I can eat properly in a morning. I get what you're saying but in his case I think he'd be better off with eggs, etc first.

Fair play I've just read the brief. My apologies.Get some food in you but make sure you take a shake with you.

Hmm, well generally in the world of BB toast doesn't even count as a snack. But to be honest, I'm not going to knock it because when times are harsh and I need something very very quick toast HAS to be ok because there simply isn't any other options sometimes.

Raz · 27 Oct 2006 at 09:46

S7yl3s said:
Fair play I've just read the brief. My apologies.Get some food in you but make sure you take a shake with you.

Hmm, well generally in the world of BB toast doesn't even count as a snack. But to be honest, I'm not going to knock it because when times are harsh and I need something very very quick toast HAS to be ok because there simply isn't any other options sometimes.

I just didn't want to do a workout when I'm still trying to digest my breakfast, and didn't want to risk lifting on an empty stomach. Another thing is just to have 3 scrambled eggs and take a carb/protein shake with me for PWO