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Quick upgrade for 6870?

humbug said:
The benchmark thread your talking about looks like this.

I have an old AMD CPU, My Minimum FPS with that CPU are hardly a barometer.

LtMatt has a CPU closer to Whyscotty and his 780, he gets 62, Matt gets 75
Gregster with a GTX Titan and a 3930K gets 81.

DS has more compute based lighting, shadowing and reflection than anyother game, its a billboard for compute 3D rendering.

Its the perfect test for a GPUs ability to render anything other than flat lifeless imagery.

Nvidia do well with simple Graphics, if things start to get complicated they don't do as well as AMD.
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Yeah I don't get it humbug, they look to be doing around the same to me judging by those results. CPU is irrelevant if it's rendering on the gpu like your saying.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
But negativity toward Nvidia is ok?
I could say some of the positivity toward AMD gets a little much, but I'm happy to let people have their own opinion and I was just giving my opinion/experience.

In comparison to your findings, I think what has disappointed me about the 290CF is that it doesn't seem to be much better than my 670SLI setup.
You have your experience, I have mine. Why is it ok for you to post your opinion but not ok for me to post mine?
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Have to agree with GM here , not sure why your comments are fine and his are not,

I've run both a 780 and a 290 on this 17 960 and on a 4960k basically unless your have a overlay your watching both card to the eye the same ingame.
If you enable a overlay then yes 780 win in some games 290's in others at stock clocks , However i found i could set a 1267 core on the 780 as a 24/7 clock wich gave it over a edge in most games i play than the 290 at 1100.
Sadly more than that and the 290 i used black screen may of just been a bad card
 
All i meant by my comment was how can u judge the cards based on one game and talk about the game like its the most instenstive rendering game out there. Some games work better on others than the other. Some hardware will be different. Some drivers will be different.

Basically i was shocked to hear him say choose a 290 cos of that game based on his reasoning.

Ask for benchys, seek out reviews etc and judge for yourself OP.
 
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Rusty0611 said:
Humbug didn't really have a 780 so take what he says with a pinch of salt.
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Funny how you always like to pretend to be someone of reason, and then flatout call someone a liar.

True Colours, Rusty.
Cut it out.
 
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So I'm still debating between an R9 290 or a GTX 780 as they are quite similar in price. I keep hearing a lot of mixed views as well, which is expected. Something that you guys have suggested is to base my decision off of the games that I play. I'm trying to sum up the main games I will be playing below:

DayZ standalone
Battlefield 4
Arma 3
GTA 5 (If it comes out?)
Titanfall
Call of Duty (Possibly new ones)
Planetside 2
Watchdogs (Maybe)
The Crew (Maybe)

Can anyone tell me or point me to some benchmarks for how the game two cards perform in these games?

I've found some for battlefield 4 etc but for games like Titanfall I cannot find them. I realise some games aren't out yet as well but if people know already whether AMD or Nvidia wil be better for them then that will be good to know also.

Thanks guys :)
 
I think with those games you've got enough of a split to call the two cards even in performance. Sure the 780 will perform better in some and vice-versa but you're talking a couple of FPS here or there.

So look at the other things such as cost, unique features, reliability etc.
 
Rusty0611 said:
I think with those games you've got enough of a split to call the two cards even in performance. Sure the 780 will perform better in some and vice-versa but you're talking a couple of FPS here or there.

So look at the other things such as cost, unique features, reliability etc.
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I thought that might be the case, that's a shame lol.

No problem, thanks for your help :)
 
The lure of mantle for b4 will be strong but i will just say that dx12 could bring games as close as mantle would in games when it is out as it is said to be similar to mantle in more ways than one so keep that in mind thinking between cards when thinking of mantle api. Also dx12 will be more accessable across many many games instead of mantle as you need games to support mantle where more games will always be dx made and they dont need to support (i think) dx12 as it should effect older dx titles. Unless im wrong but even so theres more chance of devs making games in dx12 than mantle in a few years time i reckon.
 
SkeeterUK said:
The lure of mantle for b4 will be strong but i will just say that dx12 could bring games as close as mantle would in games when it is out as it is said to be similar to mantle in more ways than one so keep that in mind thinking between cards when thinking of mantle api. Also dx12 will be more accessable across many many games instead of mantle as you need games to support mantle where more games will always be dx made and they dont need to support (i think) dx12 as it should effect older dx titles. Unless im wrong but even so theres more chance of devs making games in dx12 than mantle in a few years time i reckon.
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DX12 isn't going to be around for another year, its also an unknown from a company that has been making broken promises for 10 years, i hope DX12 is even half as good, as DX9/10/11.... are pathetic, but i'm not holding any faith in that.

Mantle has 20 Games across 7 Developers and 4 engines in development at this point.
Developers are solidly behind it, there is more to come yet, it will not go away, it will exist along side DX12, it will also get ported to Linux.
 
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Mantles in two games one demoatm iirc,If long term it continues alongside DX 12 is unknown , What is here atm is DX11 in most new games and yes sadly your list is a mix of wahts better on each card so,,
IMO chose what card has the features you want at the best price on the day you want it
 
triss said:
Mantles in two games one demoatm iirc,If long term it continues alongside DX 12 is unknown , What is here atm is DX11 in most new games and yes sadly your list is a mix of wahts better on each card so,,
IMO chose what card has the features you want at the best price on the day you want it
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This ^^
 
Thanks again guys.

This whole Mantle/DX12 saga definitely makes the decision a bit harder. It's the typical problem when it comes to buying technology.

So DX12 will work on AMD cards as well, plus AMD will have Mantle if it continues? Just to make sure DirectX games are always a lot better on Nvidia? Or is this not true..

Cheers :)
 
wildest_jjk said:
Thanks again guys.

This whole Mantle/DX12 saga definitely makes the decision a bit harder. It's the typical problem when it comes to buying technology.

So DX12 will work on AMD cards as well, plus AMD will have Mantle if it continues? Just to make sure DirectX games are always a lot better on Nvidia? Or is this not true..

Cheers :)
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"So DX12 will work on AMD cards as well" Yes

"plus AMD will have Mantle if it continues?" Yes

"Just to make sure DirectX games are always a lot better on Nvidia?" No
 
Does anyone know of any benchmarks that compare the two cards for some of the games I mentioned? Titanfall benchmarks seem non-existent and DayZ standalone is the same (although this is only alpha).

I think currently it really is looking like the R9 290 due to the option for Mantle if it continues and DX12.
 
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DayZ standalone - If using arma 3 engine then cpu bound so gpu difference will be minimal.
Battlefield 4 Generally gpu bound but now has good quad or more support but generally gpu would be the main concern. (amd mantle support amd only)
Arma 3 Cpu bound, diff gpu differences would be minimal
GTA 5 (If it comes out?) Used to be cpu bound in iv i have no idea which bound it will be for v. Generally part of Nvidias TWIMTBP and has often in past games been better optimized for nvidia gpus.
Titanfall Not sure on this game.
Call of Duty (Possibly new ones) Not sure tbh, maybe gpu bound
Planetside 2 More cpu bound due to mp but can get gpu bound sometimes (supports physx (nvidia only)
Watchdogs (Maybe) Dunno im gona guess its gpu bound, could do well if has mantle support tho again not sure on the game tbh. Oh and has Nvidia exclusives tech like txaa and hsbo+ features. http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/11/5604928/watch-dogs-pc-trailer-nvidia
The Crew (Maybe) Dunno.

Some thoughts on the games you listed weather on not it will be more cpu or gpu bound if gpu bound then the more important the benchies could be. Again just personal opinions on them.
 
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wildest_jjk,

Been going through a similar situation as you, looking for the best card at the right price, too much choice eh! First world problems :(

What I've gleaned from this, is that, if you want the best price to performance ratio then you'll be looking at the AMDs, but if you're flush then by all means get an Nvidia.

My brain has been saying to me, get an AMD, but the heart says Nvidia :rolleyes:

From experience, Nvidia cards have always been the easiest to get along with, I always seem to have some niggles with AMD GPUs, but it's not something that would put me off buying them, especially as this generation are so close in performance (290 v 780 etc) and I think (could be wrong here) that the AMD will stand the test of time better, more ram, wider bus, and Mantle is taking shape nicely at the moment, so basically, I've decided to get a 290 based on specs, performance and a lower cost :)

Not sure if my ramblings help but just wanted to share my thoughts :)
 
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