Quitting caffeine

I must be a freak, as I can quite happily munch down a whole steamed cabbage with nothing more than a pinch of salt sprinkled over it :p

Edit: obviously not actually eat it whole, but a whole cabbage sliced
 
I think the advice is that you drink roughly about 2 litres of liquid

But using that equation I listed before (now I am assuming you're about 6'3 to 6'4 ish and say 16-18 stones here going from history) you would need that amount wouldn't you. Do the calc I bet it's that ballpark. So therefore 2 litres and a yoghurt, mango and orange would meet that would it not. And like I said it's a minimum what you require you can drink more you'll just not conserve water as much. You are not going to get into problems with having too much water unless you drink a lot very quickly of have a sodium problem or diabetic or something.

For example (√(193cm x 100kg /3600) * 400) + ( 12 x 100kg)
 
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For example (√(193cm x 100kg /3600) * 400) + ( 12 x 100kg)

How much should i be drinking based on your equation? I know what i do during the work week, and based on certain posts in this thread it's excessive. I drink considerably less during the weekend as i'm no longer doing any physcial exercise (exception being when i go cycling, then my two water bottles hold 750ml each and are empty when i get back...and still thirsty)

5'8" and 95kg.
 
But using that equation I listed before (now I am assuming you're about 6'3 to 6'4 ish and say 16-18 stones here going from history) you would need that amount wouldn't you. Do the calc I bet it's that ballpark. So therefore 2 litres and a yoghurt, mango and orange would meet that would it not. And like I said it's a minimum what you require you can drink more you'll just not conserve water as much. You are not going to get into problems with having too much water unless you drink a lot very quickly of have a sodium problem or diabetic or something.

For example (√(193cm x 100kg /3600) * 400) + ( 12 x 100kg)

Yeah, that's the point I was making...its a ballpark figure that is generally universal for most people, I drink a little more as a rule. What I was told was that people often think they are hungry when they are actually thirsty, so they eat more than they should and are under hydrated...at least that's what the urologist told me. He surprised me when he said for optimal kidney and urinary health an average person should drink enough to empty their bladder between 5-7 times a day, but no more than once at night.

I'm 6'2 and 17 stone, so very close :)
 
It's "final year project report first submission deadline" in two days. I'm nowhere near finished so I'm ruining my health and sleeping pattern in the short term with vast amounts of energy drinks. That being said, I do tend to do a lot more work on this kind of pattern than when I'm on a proper routine, it's just not very sustainable.
 
Don't disagree



I obviously do not have a degree in advanced physiology - I do have qualifications in nutrition and my circle of influence is based around diet and nutrition (gym related) for the last 10+ years.

It is far more efficient for your body to receive hydration via water. 2L is not excessive, and besides it is better to slightly drink above your allowance than below. Besides, you get such a small amount from foods.

Ultimately as a rough guide your urine should be 1-2 on the list below:

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If not then you need to drink more. IT's a good guide. Of course if you have any other issues you need to speak to your doctor. I tell people that I offer training/advice to, to keep a log of their nutrition and water intake, well over 70% of people I've dealt with are dehydrated.

I personally prefer and recommend water, of course you can receive your hydration from other liquids (but I don't like fizzy drinks or drinking shed loads of caffeine), and yes fruits and vegetables - but you need a LOT of those, and frankly its daft to consider food as part of your hydration.

Congratulations on your groupon nutrition qualification.

No I have not got a degree in physiology. But I have done a full year at undergrad, although this was varying parts of physiology. Before going towards a molecular route.

It does not make a blind bit of difference where you get your water, your body will treat it all the same. The amount of water from foods is quite large (although depending on the types of foods you eat). Meats are clearly going to give less than fruit and vegetables.

But I will agree better to drink slightly too much water than not enough.
 
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The point of the algorithm though is that is scales with age and body size - you could take the later part and adjust it to say 18 * weight for ages 12-16 and 24 * weight for under 12's and it would work for any age range: eg at 15 months you'd have on average for a boy: (√(78cm x 11kg /3600) * 400) + ( 24 x 11kg) = 460 mls - so that's what 15-6 oz which would be the bottom end of what one would expect at that age.

I think the general point is that you drink when you are thirsty you don't see people drink too much under normal circumstances and you wouldn't really dehydrate yourself drinking coffee because at a certain point what weak diuretic effect there may be will be easily overrided by the bodies compensatory mechanisms.
 
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The point of the algorithm though is that is scales with age and body size - you could take the later part and adjust it to say 18 * weight for ages 12-16 and 24 * weight for under 12's and it would work for any age range: eg at 15 months you'd have on average for a boy: (√(78cm x 11kg /3600) * 400) + ( 24 x 11kg) = 460 mls - so that's what 15-6 oz which would be the bottom end of what one would expect at that age.

I think the general point is that you drink when you are thirsty you don't see people drink too much under normal circumstances and you wouldn't really dehydrate yourself drinking coffee because at a certain point what weak diuretic effect there may be will be easily overrided by the bodies compensatory mechanisms.

Yeah. I was told that drinking tea and coffee was fine. I'm not allowed caffeine though, or at least I should avoid it due to a partial gastrectomy.
 
Congratulations on your groupon nutrition qualification.

No I have not got a degree in physiology. But I have done a full year at undergrad, although this was varying parts of physiology. Before going towards a molecular route.

It does not make a blind bit of difference where you get your water, your body will treat it all the same. The amount of water from foods is quite large (although depending on the types of foods you eat). Meats are clearly going to give less than fruit and vegetables.

But I will agree better to drink slightly too much water than not enough.

Is there any need to be so rude? You haven't got a clue what qualifications I've done - stop being so arrogant and self righteous, it's rude and unfair.

Did I say it made a difference where you get your water from? No. I said you're better off getting it from water because people generally (in this country) do not eat food with enough fluid in them to make a significant impact on their hydration levels - this is going by some anecdotal work that I've done with my clients/friends, and some from the research that was done as part of my studies. Okay, not empirical really, but from one of our guest lecturer's own research (he did some work in the NHS) he suggested people's nutritional knowledge and dietary choices, led people to be on the whole trending towards being dehydrated.

Of course if you ate kilos of fruits and veg you'd be fine without drinking - but who does that?

I agree that whilst caffeine is a diaruetic it can still hydrate you owing to the water content, and after a few days of drinking caffeine based drinks the diaruetic effect is minimised owing to your body's resistance to it. Unfortunately beer/alcohol still is a diaruetic ;)

We clearly misunderstood one another - and I seem to have not been making myself clear yesterday - I was trying to say that you are better off counting how much water you drink rather than purely relying on "I ate lots of food today so I'll be hydrated". Drinking water has so many positives, and water intoxication is so rare and hard to acheive and generally it's to do with electrolytic imbalances anyway.
 
I cut down my caffeine quite a lot a couple of years ago, from 6-7 cups of normal tea + one coffee in the morning + coke and whatever else a day down to 1 coffee in the morning and decaf tea 3-4 times a day, water otherwise.

Had headaches for a couple of days initially but been fine since, felt a lot less sluggish overall.
 
Been drinking coffee my entire life. Usually one cup first thing in the morning, sometimes a second cup around mid day.

Never had any problems. Never even noticed any effects, good or bad. I just drink coffee cause I enjoy the taste. I do avoid coffee after mid day because I don't want it to affect my sleeping, being a stimulant.
 
I tend to drink around 3 cups a day.

But went through a phase of having around 3 cans of monster a day, when back at college. After a while it makes you feel a little yucky.
Now, I tend to have a can on monster which lasts about 2 days or more which is much better.
 
Been drinking coffee my entire life. Usually one cup first thing in the morning, sometimes a second cup around mid day.

Never had any problems. Never even noticed any effects, good or bad. I just drink coffee cause I enjoy the taste. I do avoid coffee after mid day because I don't want it to affect my sleeping, being a stimulant.

Exactly this for me. I enjoy 1 or 2 cups a day before 12, then after 12 it's just water or a diluted drink :)

The best thing to do would be to cut down slowly, it will avoid the horrible migraines and just takes you off it slowly!
 
I have drank 2-8 cans of coke a day for the past 14 years.

Also many other forms of Sugar / Caffine drinks in the mix.

I had my wisdom tooth out on Thursday and due to this i have Stopped drinking / intake of all Sugar from my diet and am now on Bio Yoghurt and Chicken Soup ONLY. (A bit drastic but trying to avoid Dry socket!)

On Friday and Saturday I felt odd, No energy, Weak and very tired all day. Then again I was taking 1000mG Paracetamol, 1000mG Ibuprofen and 60MG Codine + 2 types of Antibiotics every 5 hours.
I don't actually feel that bad now, Always hungry but that's a given.

I have actually lost 6Pounds since Thursday... So stopping my fizzy drink intake and junk food is doing wonders! lets see if i can keep this up for 14 days :)
 
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