All the CPU benchmarks tend to be done on a 2080ti so they can be a bit misleading about performance gains for people on mid range GPUs. As others have said getting a better GPU will almost certainly give you more performance, the 1600 isn't a bad gaming CPU unless the GPU is almost taken out of the equation, and then only vs something like a 9900K.
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R5 1600 with GTX1070. Do I upgrade to 3600, 3700X or stick ?
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I'm in basically the same boat (R5 1600 with 1070ti at 1440p). Currently I think the I'd need at least 3700x to upgrade but it is priced too high at present.
As mentioned in terms of value for money a GPU upgrade would be better VFM from a gaming perspective, although still not great value.
As mentioned in terms of value for money a GPU upgrade would be better VFM from a gaming perspective, although still not great value.
With highest settings @ 1440p, Average FPS 53, Min 42, Max 80
With high settings, Average FPS 60, Min 50, Max 90
I monitored CPU usage, mostly around 40 - 50%, peaked at about 70. GPU is pretty well maxed out.
So my "old, low end" R5 1600 is still coping well. GTX1070 is working hard, but the benchmark looks great and runs smooth (that's why I bought a G-Sync monitor). I`ve played a bit of the demo, and it runs great.
The GPU is the obvious upgrade, but I think I'll wait to see what Nvidia bring out next. Something like an RTX 2070 Super would increase FPS, but would an average of, say 77fps look any better than 53 - 60fps on my monitor ? I don't think so.
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Yup, so the R5 1600 is plenty for the scenario if max usage goes to 70% and the benchmark is GPU bound at the end.
An upgrade to 77fps wont matter on a 60Hz panel though you could say that extra power will always bring smoothness by lifting up the lows but you already have a gsync monitor so you are fine.
Enjoy what you have for now as it seems plentiful.
Worth noting that if SOTTR is like ROTTR then there is a lot of mileage to be had tweaking the settings. Don't just rely on presets, you can get big boosts just tweaking certain settings to reduce your GPU bottleneck and increase CPU utilisation to get that average pushing up towards 100fps.
id wait for newer revisions or the tweaks that need to be done. the new amd cpus get a lot of hype on here often by the same people. this is how good they are go check members market. see how many who champion these cpus have been selling them up because of issues. one guy yesterday for eg. im moving back to intel. wait until they get em right just too much hassle at the moment. there has been numerous people selling their 3900xs for eg and 570x boards 3700xs, because of issues.
atleast by the time the next revisions are out all the bios issues and other bugs should hopefully be resolved.
Just had a look and unless my search skills fail there are hardly any for sale. It's the price that I have a problem with, can't justify >£300 for 8 core when the 2700 has been down under £164. Yes clearly it is better but nearly double the price doesn't feel worth it for the extra IPC, bearing in mind I've never spent over £200 on a CPU.
they have been for sale sold. 3900s and 3700s. all over last few days. buy a cheap 2nd 2700. seen them go for a ton 2nd. which is mega deal . been a few on members market recently aswell. i wouldnt pay the asking price for a 3700x along with the issues over a 2700. its just not worth it.
just checked first page ryzen bundle 3700x and 570 board. 3900x just after that. dont know what you searching.
just checked first page ryzen bundle 3700x and 570 board. 3900x just after that. dont know what you searching.
This^
It's amazing how much benching is done on Ultra, when you can get games running perfectly well on older CPUs/GPUs by just turning some of the "silly" settings down.
Oh, and in the case of SotTR, make sure you use DX12!!!
OP: the sentence where you say you can afford the highest chip but always get VFM just don't match up. Looks like you really want VFM and not the best? Not trying to insult you, just seems juxtaposed.
I am of the opinion that the 1070 still isn't worth upgrading from unless you are running higher resolutions. The VFM aspect still isn't there.
However... If you sell your card then those newer cards do look a little enticing. I would be looking at a 5700XT, OR 2070 MINIMUM though.
CPU upgrade will give you much less of a boost than the GPU. I would look to upgrade CPU later as mentioned by many others.
I am of the opinion that the 1070 still isn't worth upgrading from unless you are running higher resolutions. The VFM aspect still isn't there.
However... If you sell your card then those newer cards do look a little enticing. I would be looking at a 5700XT, OR 2070 MINIMUM though.
CPU upgrade will give you much less of a boost than the GPU. I would look to upgrade CPU later as mentioned by many others.
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I concur with getting a new GPU. A 3600 would certainly provide higher performance but at 1440p a better GPU will provide more tangible increases in most scenarios. Obviously both would be best but graphics card would be my first priority of you're playing recent games.
Went from a Ryzen 1600 to a Ryzen 3600 on a GTX 1070, in most games i haven't noticed a difference as the GPU is the bottleneck, however there are some games that are heavy on the CPU or just depend on that single threaded performance, Insurgency Sandstorm has gone up from about 75 FPS to about 100 and that's the GPU now locked to full load, original Insurgency from about 150 to about 200, CS:GO, not that i play it much from about 350 to 600 average, i've seen it peak at near 800, crazy..., PUBG a small increase but with the 1600 the GPU was just about maxed out anyway, now it is, FC5 also a small bump but again it was always GPU locked.
The Desktop fells very snappy, fast, even when i have the CPU under heavy load, like baking lighting in Unreal Engine it still snaps everything you click on fast and smoooooooth.... not much different to the 1600 but there is a small improvement there.
I think it was worth it, i really liked the 1600, this one is better.
The Desktop fells very snappy, fast, even when i have the CPU under heavy load, like baking lighting in Unreal Engine it still snaps everything you click on fast and smoooooooth.... not much different to the 1600 but there is a small improvement there.
I think it was worth it, i really liked the 1600, this one is better.
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i am about to do a similar upgrade for the kids computer, ryzen 1600x and a 3gb gtx 1060 to a ryzen 3600 and a vega 56.
managed to get the cpu and the gpu for £360 (clearance items) all in which i think was a steal as i had been looking at either the 3700x or a rtx2060, eithier item would have been about £320 or so. slower components but should be an upgrade.
if the 3600 turns out to be as good an upgrade as you discribe and the kids stop moaning about lag and fps drops i will be a happy man.
managed to get the cpu and the gpu for £360 (clearance items) all in which i think was a steal as i had been looking at either the 3700x or a rtx2060, eithier item would have been about £320 or so. slower components but should be an upgrade.
if the 3600 turns out to be as good an upgrade as you discribe and the kids stop moaning about lag and fps drops i will be a happy man.
Sorry, I don't understand why you think it doesn't match up.
Some people that can afford "the best" (car, computer, clothes etc) just buy the best. That may leave them short of money for a while. Nothing wrong with that, but that's how some people behave.
I tend to look for value for money in pretty much everything I buy. That helps to leave me with money to buy other things that I may want or need. So I was just looking for opinions on a possible upgrade, given that I can afford pretty much any CPU, but don't want to spend more than I need to. And I've had good advice, including your own. If I do upgrade, it would be from a GTX1070 to an RTX2070 super, rather than a CPU upgrade. Having said that, an RTX2070S may be a little bottlenecked by my current CPU, so the upgrade might include both. Having thought about the options, I'm almost certainly going to wait for a while as my current setup is still performing well. Yes an RTX2070S will deliver a very decent increase in FPS, but I don't really have any issues with low frame rates at the moment.
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I'm currently running an i5 4690k and was seriously tempted to upgrade but I think i'm getting a little carried away. Might run mine into the ground (casual gamer and all that)
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The R5 1600 and the R7 1700 have same IPC. OC it the cpu to 3.8GHz and you can even pair it with a card like 1080Ti. Catch is . . . get rid of the IF bottleneck by Oc'ing ram to 3466 MHz CL14.
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It depends which games you play and what is the bottleneck. It can vary much between game-to-game and even what is happening in the scene in the game at the time. It also depends what you describe as poor experience e.g. is it low frame rates or game hitching. It could be GPU bottleneck, CPU bottleneck, Game Engine bottleneck (poorly optimised), other problem etc. You could set up some monitoring software like MSI Afterburner in monitoring only mode with the OSD (on screen display) settings enabled to monitor in real-time to help give you a clue e.g. monitor GPU usage, VRAM, individual CPU threads/cores, system RAM etc. Also you can use RTSS (Riva Tuner Statisitcs Server) comes with MSI Afterburner to display frame-time graph. You could also search YouTube for the game and similar spec PCs to give you an idea of performance if you decide to upgrade.
If GPU bottleneck:
other misc:
Digital Foundry recently released a video which I found interesting with some useful information comparison experience although 1700X vs 3900X (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCySwV7skM0).
If GPU bottleneck:
- Lower GPU graphics settings in game etc.
- Check if you're not hitting your VRAM limit, if so reduce Texture settings in game.
- Check the GPU is running at its correct Bus interface speed, e.g. using GPU-Z check Bus interface PCIE x16 3.0 @ x16 3.0
- Check your GPU is not over-heating and throttling
- Compare GPU benchmarks with your system to make sure GPU performance is running as expected e.g. Unigine Superposition / 3Dmark Extreme / Ultra etc.
- Upgrade GPU
- Unfortunately there's not as many settings in game to reduce CPU utilization compared with graphics settings, some settings can help like lowering the number of NPC characters etc, in BFV you can enable "Future Frame Rendering" (Maximum Pre-Rendered Frames) which controls the number of frames the CPU prepares in advance of GPU e.g. it helps CPU bottleneck scenario.
- Overclock CPU
- Faster RAM / overclock RAM
- Check your CPU is not over-heating and throttling e.g. improve the cooling
- Compare CPU benchmarks with your system to make sure CPU performance is running as expected e.g. Cinebench etc.
- Some older games only run on a single thread so you could be cpu bottleneck on a single cpu thread (multicore doesnt help here much e.g. because using older game engine only designed for single core)
- Upgrade CPU
- Some games are just not optimsed well or have a poor game engine because it was optimised for console and not really made to run at 60 fps PC. I experienced this recently with AC Odyssey, in some areas of the game does not perform well and framerate drops to 30-40 fps in populated city with lots of NPC characters where other areas of the game is fine locked to 60fps, my GPU or CPU were not fully utilised (even individual single cores/threads not showing fully utilised), i read somewhere its most likely the game engine and it makes lots of calls which works ok for console at 30fps but not really designed to run at 60fps. I think Far cry is also another game which is not well CPU optimised on Ryzen but I have not played it. I also recently played GTA4 on PC but even this game still occasionally was hitching but not much maybe drops to 50fps.
- Search online to compare game performance with other CPUs because it might just be the game engine doesn't run well even on faster CPUs.
- You could lock your framerate to your minimum you see in game, so the frame rate drop will be less noticeable. I have found RTSS is good at locking in smooth framerates but you could also try the in-game framerate cap if it has one available.
other misc:
- If you reach your system RAM limit, it will start to use the slower pagefile on your SSD/HDD. So more RAM can help.
- In some situations an SSD can help but mostly for improving loading times in game.
- Try different Vsync options, e.g. Vsync on/off, Gsync (with capped framerates below monitor refresh rate), cap framerate using the game-engine or RTSS etc.
- Maybe Windows OS problem, e.g. try disable game mode, disable full-screen optimisations in game executable etc. I recently experienced an issue in BF3 when i upgraded to Windows 1903 my fps dropped from 140 to struggling to hold 60, apparently there is a bug introduced in Windows 1903 which only seems to affect BF3 so i ended up rolling back to Windows 1809, apparently it should be fixed in upcoming Windows release later this year.
Digital Foundry recently released a video which I found interesting with some useful information comparison experience although 1700X vs 3900X (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCySwV7skM0).
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I doubt my RAM will go above 3200MHz CL16. CPU is now @ 3700 for stability at a reasonable voltage.