R600 or G80

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i suppose soon most of the components (incl gpu's) will be watercooled as aircooling just wount cut it....
But i wish i had money like you guys so i could buy top of the range stuff all the time. Must put the lottery on this week and if i win i might upgrade from a ATi Radeon 9200 128mb to maybe a 6600GT

 

[J.D]

Hmm like what,

Examples please to back up this lame none existent arguement.

I think there will be a few that get what I mean without the need for examples. I've had a go at you before about this kinda attitude and all you could muster up the last time was accusing me of having something against the G80 which I like.

Were did I compare anything?
I made a statement that is based on fact.

Is what you said below based on fact?. No it isn't but you keep waffling on about facts.

Face it boys.The 8800 GTX rocks just deal with it.

By the time R600 arrives after the boring wait NV will have something new to release.

I rest my case. Boring wait? and waiting on Nvidia to release something. Banking on Nvidia's refresh???? Where's the facts for that one eh?????? So because the R600 isn't out then any speculation is a rumour? Isn't that the same for Nvidia's refresh? Oops you kinda contradicted yourself there.

Sorry you have lost me.What are you talking about?
Has nothing to do with having "the top Card"

It people being miffed at the mo that they have nothing to talk about on these froums other than the G80.

Well, why are you banking on the refresh of the G80 and rubbishing anything that gets said about the R600. Can you really not make an educated estimate regarding the next ATI card?. I thought you could, more than most people as you pass more hardware through your hands than the average Joe. Can you not honestly see where the two companies are heading regarding graphics?.

ATI have nothing to offer at the mo.But I really don't see the point arguing about how a Card,that does not exist yet in the retail sector, and how it will be more effiecient etc..faster,better IQ than than the current top card.

Its just pointless hear say and made up BS imo.

Well look at how Nvidia have JUST managed AA & HDR and to finally have image quality that isn't laughable compared to ATI and actually is better than now. You honestly can't predict ATI to come up with a more powerful card and to improve the image quality over their last product? (which is still impressive). C'mon EasyRider.

Can't hide the fact that it does.And again I wasn't comparing anything.
I never said the GTX rocks compared too..........

So stop talikng carp.

Talking carp. Ok then. If you can't estimate the future of hardware based on current hardware then your not as much of the enthusiast as you keep saying to everyone.

You really don't get it do you?. OF course it rocks. I wouldn't have got one of my closest m8's to buy one if it didn't.

ATI might whoop it or it might be closer than anticipated but can you really not see ATI having a faster card based on previous experiences?.

You say you weren't comparing it to anything but why disregard the boring wait for R600 whilst awaiting the refresh of Nvidia?. What facts have you to make such an assumption?.

 

[Scoobie Dave]

Its not in my loop yet.

I waiting on a nice block.

Should be interesting m8. Still waiting for my 8800GTX to turn up. . .

This time last week I was not even gonna get a 8800GTX, darn you Easyrider for talking me into it!!!

 

[Andy Pandy]

^^ i agree, making me upgrade whole system now after reading the threads

 

[easyrider]

Should be interesting m8. Still waiting for my 8800GTX to turn up. . .

This time last week I was not even gonna get a 8800GTX, darn you Easyrider for talking me into it!!!

 

[easyrider]

I think there will be a few that get what I mean without the need for examples. I've had a go at you before about this kinda attitude and all you could muster up the last time was accusing me of having something against the G80 which I like.

Again no substance in this post.
Make yourself more clear pls

Is what you said below based on fact?. No it isn't but you keep waffling on about facts.

Its a lot closer to the truth than predicting a cards speed and IQ etc..before they even exist. lol

I rest my case. Boring wait? and waiting on Nvidia to release something. Banking on Nvidia's refresh???? Where's the facts for that one eh?????? So because the R600 isn't out then any speculation is a rumour? Isn't that the same for Nvidia's refresh? Oops you kinda contradicted yourself there.

You have no case to rest.

Well, why are you banking on the refresh of the G80 and rubbishing anything that gets said about the R600. Can you really not make an educated estimate regarding the next ATI card?. I thought you could, more than most people as you pass more hardware through your hands than the average Joe. Can you not honestly see where the two companies are heading regarding graphics?.

I already have when R600 is released I will be suprised if NV dont have something faster even its by a ickle tiny bit

Well look at how Nvidia have JUST managed AA & HDR and to finally have image quality that isn't laughable compared to ATI and actually is better than now. You honestly can't predict ATI to come up with a more powerful card and to improve the image quality over their last product? (which is still impressive). C'mon EasyRider.

C'mon J.D of course it will be better than their next gen.Never said it wouldn't be ever in this thread.

Do you have first hand experience of the IQ of the 8800?

Talking carp. Ok then. If you can't estimate the future of hardware based on current hardware then your not as much of the enthusiast as you keep saying to everyone.

I can and have.

You really don't get it do you?. OF course it rocks. I wouldn't have got one of my closest m8's to buy one if it didn't.

ATI might whoop it or it might be closer than anticipated but can you really not see ATI having a faster card based on previous experiences?.

You say you weren't comparing it to anything but why disregard the boring wait for R600 whilst awaiting the refresh of Nvidia?. What facts have you to make such an assumption?.

Experience on using high end hardware.I will get R600 without a doubt if its as good as all the BS speculation in this thread.

I would be mad not too.

I might only have a few weeks though when NV do their thing and release a faster card.

But thats just the GFX card game.

 

[HighlandeR]

Been like 2-3 weeks since GTX release?

Seeing them for like £414 now

Thats a lot more reasonable pricing imo and now worth it more but think ill make do with my X850XT which plays all games fine maxxed no AA/AF Till Jan 07 and R600. Xmas is almost here December will be a month of just utter Madness and will go fast anyhow.

 

[fornowagain]

Your not allowed to post prices

Btw, I paid about that on release day.

 

[J.D]

I like debating with you EasyRider. It's fun . Actually brings me back here more often .

I do have a 8800GTX in front of me. The m8 I got to buy it just got the new 24" BenQ and Kandalf LCS case from here to go with it. I'm re-installing windows for him and installing a few programs as his 3dmark scores weren't good and their only a bit better with the fresh install.

He just needs to get a new CPU, RAM & Mobo I think as he's only got a Clawhammer FX55 with 2gb Corsair XMS PC3200 3-3-3-8 with his G80. This is also on an Epox EP-9NPA+ Ultra.

In 3DMark05 he scores 12,997 and 3DMark06 he scores 6,985. Is this about right for his setup as it's scoring similar to my X1900?. Any help would be appreciated.

Oh and money isn't a problem so whats a good Conroe combination to go for? as in RAM, CPU & Mobo?. I told him I would overclock a 6300 to between 3 - 3.5Ghz and a 6600 would only overclock to that roughly anyway with the same performance nearly? Am I right in saying this?.

 

[easyrider]

I like debating with you EasyRider. It's fun . Actually brings me back here more often .

I do have a 8800GTX in front of me. The m8 I got to buy it just got the new 24" BenQ and Kandalf LCS case from here to go with it. I'm re-installing windows for him and installing a few programs as his 3dmark scores weren't good and their only a bit better with the fresh install.

He just needs to get a new CPU, RAM & Mobo I think as he's only got a Clawhammer FX55 with 2gb Corsair XMS PC3200 3-3-3-8 with his G80. This is also on an Epox EP-9NPA+ Ultra.

In 3DMark05 he scores 12,997 and 3DMark06 he scores 6,985. Is this about right for his setup as it's scoring similar to my X1900?. Any help would be appreciated.

Oh and money isn't a problem so whats a good Conroe combination to go for? as in RAM, CPU & Mobo?. I told him I would overclock a 6300 to between 3 - 3.5Ghz and a 6600 would only overclock to that roughly anyway with the same performance nearly? Am I right in saying this?.

Sounds like that FX55 is the bottleneck.

Good combo:

DS3
6300
Geil DDR2 6400

This setup will allow 7x 500FSB = 3.5ghz with the ram at 1ghz 1:1

If he wants to go SLI then a 680i mobo is a must.

 

[J.D]

Sounds like that FX55 is the bottleneck.

Good combo:

DS3
6300
Geil DDR2 6400

This setup will allow 7x 500FSB = 3.5ghz with the ram at 1ghz 1:1

If he wants to go SLI then a 680i mobo is a must.

Thankyou EasyRider . One more question though. Would my friend be stupid in getting the 6600 over the 6300?. He likes the numbers and the true Conroe label. If overclocked they are the same then I'd rather save him some money as he's spent a few grand over the last 2 weeks already.

I've told him to stay away from SLi because of only getting a bit more than 50% performance from the second card. I think it's just a waste. If he ever started to run slow then the 680i will be bought.

I nearly picked out the 680i or P5B, dominator ram and the 6600 last night for him but I said to him with me not having any hands on experience with Conroe that I'd rather have some info from the guys who own them than trying to remember every overclocking Conroe thread and posts that passed by my eyes.

Thanks again. Appreciated.

 

[SpudMaster]

Personally i wouldnt get the geil as it seems to be a bit hit or miss on whether you get a good set or not. Some people are getting 500mhz out of hit but i could only get 440mhz with 5-5-5-15 timing which is pretty poor, thankfully i was able to swap it for some Team ram

Oh and id recommend the DS4 over the DS3, as it has a fair few improved features and only 10-15 quid more.

As for 6300 or 6600 it depends on what you friend is gonna the pc for, if mainly gaming then clock for clock the extra cache only makes about 3% difference but when it comes to encoding work there is a much more substantial performance increase.
Also from what i have seen the 6600 does tend to clock further than a 6300 and clocking will be made easier due to the higher multies

Anyway back to r600 or g80 talk

 

[easyrider]

Personally i wouldnt get the geil as it seems to be a bit hit or miss on whether you get a good set or not. Some people are getting 500mhz out of hit but i could only get 440mhz with 5-5-5-15 timing which is pretty poor, thankfully i was able to swap it for some Team ram

Oh and id recommend the DS4 over the DS3, as it has a fair few improved features and only 10-15 quid more.

As for 6300 or 6600 it depends on what you friend is gonna the pc for, if mainly gaming then clock for clock the extra cache only makes about 3% difference but when it comes to encoding work there is a much more substantial performance increase.
Also from what i have seen the 6600 does tend to clock further than a 6300 and clocking will be made easier due to the higher multies

Anyway back to r600 or g80 talk

The majority on here are getting 1ghz+ with the geil.Maybe you just got a bad batch.

The DS3 is a great mobo for the money If he spending more then get the P5b instead.

3.5ghz is a nice clock for a 6300 and the DS3 will do 500 FSB no problem with the 2mb cache conroes.

The extra money for the 6600 and the higher multi is not worth the extra IMO unless you have a special chip like mine.

Most get 3.6ghz with a 975 mobo with a 6600 and 100 mhz gain over a 6300 is not worth nearly double the price.

 

[SpudMaster]

The majority?? i got sucked in by the hype too, but when my set clocked poorly i looked into it more deeply n it seems only a few did 500mhz and gibbo got some hype up about the ram with his thread.

 

[Gashman]

6300 IS conroe, all of the 6*** range are, according to intel 'allendale' isn't yet available, plus the GEIL ram was a bit hyped up, IMO corsair is always the one to beat, can't go wrong with corsair memory