Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'

[FoxEye]

Wow, had never realised this forum was so far right until recently. Let me guess, you’re a white male?

Spoken as if being a white male makes you unable to comprehend reality.

I think the problem you're facing is that many of us have had enough of this rhetoric. It's rhetoric of division, of teaching one set of people to feel totally disempowered and to believe they are in all circumstances victims, and another set (white people) to believe they are bad people, terrible people, for being white.

All outcomes of all people (both good and bad) are tied with race, racism, bias, discrimination, often without the faintest shred of proof.

People have had enough. Enjoy preaching to the choir tho. Despite what you said about this being a "far right" forum, you'll find some agreement with your agenda, here.

 

[Illuminist]

My friend from South Africa said that a lot of white people can't get jobs because they are not black, there is a points system to provide more jobs is this where we are heading?

 

[dowie]

Wow, had never realised this forum was so far right until recently. Let me guess, you’re a white male?

Let me guess, you have no coherent argument/response...

Are you even capable of articulating what specifically you believe to be "far-right" about that post? Is it the bit that agrees with the conclusions of the independent report that was made by a group of literal nazis rather diverse people?

I'll await your response but my expectations are rather low given what I've seen so far.

 

[Skunkworks]

Lots of PoC fragility in the #RaceReport hashtag.

 

[mmj_uk]

Woke tyranny.

Can you define woke for me?

Companies are scared to be seen not having a large proportion of "minority" BAME and LGBT etc workers because the "woke" people who can't look at a photo of employees and see past external characteristics like race and rainbow clothing will call for advertisers/sponsors to boycott them and spread bad publicity which hurts their business. It's become a tyranny of people who think they're doing good but have essentially become tyrants because they are causing others (ie. businesses) to be in fear of them if they don't tick all of the right boxes.

Martin Luther King will be spinning in his grave at what they are doing.

“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

Jobs should be awarded to the most qualified not those who have the right appearance.

 

[dowie]

Woke tyranny.

Can you define woke for me?

Woke in this context refers to people embracing critical race theory (or more broadly, critical social justice theory). A key feature of which is the emphasis on group identity over individuality. Often there is a focus on differences in outcomes between groups and those differences in outcomes are used as "evidence" for some chosen grievance or -ism... That there isn't necessarily a causal link or that other things could explain the differences in outcomes tend not to trouble the woke...

In fact, some of them are prone to making dumb arguments about white supremacy or calling things far right when they see a viewpoint that challenges their beliefs.

 

[Robert]

Spoken as if being a white male makes you unable to comprehend reality.

I think the problem you're facing is that many of us have had enough of this rhetoric. It's rhetoric of division, of teaching one set of people to feel totally disempowered and to believe they are in all circumstances victims, and another set (white people) to believe they are bad people, terrible people, for being white.

All outcomes of all people (both good and bad) are tied with race, racism, bias, discrimination, often without the faintest shred of proof.

People have had enough. Enjoy preaching to the choir tho. Despite what you said about this being a "far right" forum, you'll find some agreement with your agenda, here.

no mate, but does a white male comprehend being wolf whistled at walking down the street or subject to creepy come ones? No, because if they were it would be a blood bath.



all out comes, blah blah blah. Yes, did that matter to minorities when they are being %***** over?

I’ve deleted what I was going to say. But it’s easy to spout the crap you do from the position of a white male. If you belong to a minority to group, then I’m sunned as my experience of things does not equal yours.

Do you question why straight people don’t get an alternative to pride?

 

[Robert]

Woke in this context refers to people embracing critical race theory (or more broadly, critical social justice theory). A key feature of which is the emphasis on group identity over individuality. Often there is a focus on differences in outcomes between groups and those differences in outcomes are used as "evidence" for some chosen grievance or -ism... That there isn't necessarily a causal link or that other things could explain the differences in outcomes tend not to trouble the woke...

In fact, some of them are prone to making dumb arguments about white supremacy or calling things far right when they see a viewpoint that challenges their beliefs.

Nice jab there. You wonder why people challenge it in this little eco chamber.

 

[Skunkworks]

Here comes the emotional end of the political spectrum!

 

[dowie]

Nice jab there. You wonder why people challenge it in this little eco chamber.

What a surprise... you responded to that post but not the earlier one with direct questions aimed at you. You've made a few posts in here but they just seem to be knee-jerk, emotive reactions - no coherent argument so far.

no mate, but does a white male comprehend being wolf whistled at walking down the street or subject to creepy come ones? No, because if they were it would be a blood bath.

What does race have to do with wolf whistling? Are non-white males exempt from being creeps? You're making no sense so far... still waiting for a coherent post/argument here.

 

[FoxEye]

no mate, but does a white male comprehend being wolf whistled at walking down the street or subject to creepy come ones? No, because if they were it would be a blood bath.

all out comes, blah blah blah. Yes, did that matter to minorities when they are being %***** over?

I’ve deleted what I was going to say. But it’s easy to spout the crap you do from the position of a white male. If you belong to a minority to group, then I’m sunned as my experience of things does not equal yours.

Do you question why straight people don’t get an alternative to pride?

What "things" have you experienced that you blame on race or sex? Can you list some specifics?

What "crap" in the posts above do you object to thus far?

So far you've basically just offered, "You're wrong, I'm right, you can't be right because you're white." Which is, ya know, kinda racist..

 

[Robert]

What a surprise... you responded to that post but not the earlier one with direct questions aimed at you. You've made a few posts in here but they just seem to be knee-jerk, emotive reactions - no coherent argument so far.



What does race have to do with wolf whistling? Are non-white males exempt from being creeps? You're making no sense so far... still waiting for a coherent post/argument here.

I’ll be back tomorrow. I’ve been enjoying my beer52 delivery.

The comparison of wolf whistling, it’s easy to not see a point of view when you don’t face those issues on a daily basis. Whether it be black, male, female, white whatever.




The points referenced above are also farcical, family influence? Socio-economic device? Boris had to get into power somehow.

either way, other than linking the report, which has been panned - I haven’t seen any compelling evidence from any of you in here to dispute
tha the uk is not sysematically racist. Other than throwing around “woke”.

anyway, bed time cherubs. Thankfully I’ll be more inline with “equal for all” than any of you seem to be in here.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

I’ll be back tomorrow. I’ve been enjoying my beer52 delivery.

The comparison of wolf whistling, it’s easy to not see a point of view when you don’t face those issues on a daily basis. Whether it be black, male, female, white whatever.




The points referenced above are also farcical, family influence? Socio-economic device? Boris had to get into power somehow.

either way, other than linking the report, which has been panned - I haven’t seen any compelling evidence from any of you in here to dispute
tha the uk is not sysematically racist. Other than throwing around “woke”.

anyway, bed time cherubs. Thankfully I’ll be more inline with “equal for all” than any of you seem to be in here.

You're claiming this, the burden of proof is on you to prove it (anecdotals arent proof btw).

 

[FoxEye]

either way, other than linking the report, which has been panned - I haven’t seen any compelling evidence from any of you in here to dispute

"I only recognise as evidence anything that agrees with my viewpoint."

Yeah, I don't think we're going to get very far, here. I can't even tell if your posts are supposed to be a parody

 

[hurfdurf]

You're claiming this, the burden of proof is on you to prove it (anecdotals arent proof btw).

I’m going to believe far better sources than an independent report put together by the government to exonerate the government.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377194044636401667

If you don’t believe there is a significant problem of racism in the UK, look at the responses to anything on any platform by Diane Abbot, David Lammy, Sadiq Khan or any other prominent Black or Asian person. The ugliness that lurks in some hearts is all right there to see.

 

[Angilion]

I couldn't help but giggle at the phrase "post-racial country", the term sounds like complete nonsense.

In my opinion the problem will only ever be solved when racial terminology is considered outdated and is only ever used in a historical context.

Which would be a "post-racial country". A country that was past the point at which race was considered a thing. Which doesn't exist in the present, but could exist in the future. They existed in the past, before race came to be believed in. Race is an idea, a belief, not a real thing.

 

[Cooler running]

Which would be a "post-racial country"

Perhaps, but I'm certain that the country isn't like this at the moment

 

[danlightbulb]

If you don’t believe there is a significant problem of racism in the UK, look at the responses to anything on any platform by Diane Abbot, David Lammy, Sadiq Khan or any other prominent Black or Asian person. The ugliness that lurks in some hearts is all right there to see.

The reason those responses are there is because those people you quote won't accept the truth. No matter what this report said (unless it simply said institutional racism does exist and positive discrimination is needed to overcome it) these people would never agree with it. You cannot win against them because they have no coherent argument, just fixated views.

The report is really well written, clearly from a deeper societal perspective raising all sorts of social and demographic factors. It doesn't say racism doesn't exist at all and no one here would argue that. It says other factors are in play and that there is no institutional bias. I agree with this completely. I have known racist people, I have known people who are truly racist and others who just say things to crack a joke but aren't really racist. Ive known black people who are racist towards white people. And Ive known plenty of both white and black people who are criminals and deserve whatever they get.

There was no evidence to show that our country is institutionally racist - that means there is no systemic bias, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means we have a set of laws and values that does not bias one way or the other at a collective level, and I think that is true.

 

[Hotwired]

I’m going to believe far better sources than an independent report put together by the government to exonerate the government.

If you don’t believe there is a significant problem of racism in the UK, look at the responses to anything on any platform by Diane Abbot, David Lammy, Sadiq Khan or any other prominent Black or Asian person. The ugliness that lurks in some hearts is all right there to see.

I wonder if you give a single **** what was actually said by the people involved in the report or you're going by what your imagination tells you.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Dr Sewell said while there was anecdotal evidence of racism, there was no proof that there was "institutional racism" in Britain.

"No-one denies and no-one is saying racism doesn't exist", he said.

"We found anecdotal evidence of this. However, evidence of actual institutional racism? No, that wasn't there, we didn't find that."

...

"That said, we take the reality of racism seriously and we do not deny that it is a real force in the UK."

The report also said there is an "increasingly strident form of anti-racism thinking that seeks to explain all minority disadvantage through the prism of white discrimination" which it said diverted attention from "the other reasons for minority success and failure".

I mean just read the thing and stop relying on your imagination.

For extra brownie points Dr Sewell, the chairman of the report is himself a black man.

 

[hurfdurf]

There was no evidence to show that our country is institutionally racist - that means there is no systemic bias, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It means we have a set of laws and values that does not bias one way or the other and I think that is true.

The same was said during the Stephen Lawrence enquiry, just because something is said on paper, doesn’t mean that it’s actioned to that extent.