Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'

[Narj]

Prof Kehinde Andrews has said "it isn't a genuine effort to understand racism in Britain". It's complete nonsense. It goes in the face of all the actual existing evidence. This is not a genuine effort to understand racism in Britain. This is a PR move to pretend the problem doesn't exist".

I personally wouldn't cite Kehinde Andrews as a source of credible opinion on anything. He hates the UK and has a massive chip on his shoulder. He makes a mockery of his title IMO.

Basically from the same grifting loony bin as Ash Sarkar.

The report didn't try to deny that racism exists at all within the population. I don't think any sane person with a modicum of life experience would claim that. It's not just "whitey" that can be racist either.

I think we're in a pretty good place now where checks and balances at say, corporate level should stop a racist individual from having any impact when it comes to recruitment and opportunities. If anything it can tip things a little too far beyond equality into downright discrimination.

 

[a1ex2001]

I’ve always found the term ‘institutional racism’ disappointing it feels like saying the system is racist excuses the real problem in that individuals running systems are racist.

I can’t give this report the whole hearted support that some seem wiling to given who commissioned it, the individual who led it or the fact it contradicts other reports. I will however applaud the fact it points out racism is still a strong force in this country and that poor people are utterly poo’d in by the system (disproportionately effecting BAME communities) I suspect those busy trumpeting the ‘no institutional racism’ finding will quietly brush those under the carpet.

 

[Hagar]

It would be a proven thing, institutional racism, if the country had different laws and institutions had different rules for different heritages. You know like South Africa used to or Israel does in part.

Individuals within those institutions are undeniably racist to a degree but that is not institutional racism. It is where the entire organisation deliberately treats people differently based on perception of racial difference. That is not the Britain that I would recognise.

 

[Hotwired]

Poor white boys bottom of the heap, not that anyone cares.

Link above your head is the chairman of this report saying (in 2019) he does care about poor boys and poor black boys getting the short straw.

He goes on at quite some length about the detrimental effects of boys growing up poor and how absent fathers cause a lack of guidance compounded by your fellows being in a similar state.

...and the problems with trying to address those issues.

Almost an hour interview and with his background of growing up in the 70's didn't feel the need to blame the problems discussed on racism even where they mostly affect black boys. However he does discuss how fear of being accused as racist is an issue that gets in the way of solutions.

 

[Bear]

I will however applaud the fact it points out racism is still a strong force in this country and that poor people are utterly poo’d in by the system (disproportionately effecting BAME communities) I suspect those busy trumpeting the ‘no institutional racism’ finding will quietly brush those under the carpet.

I think it is you that is brushing the inconvenient truth under the carpet that certain BAME communities outperform white British in education and potential earnings

 

[Terminal_Boy]

If you don’t believe there is a significant problem of racism in the UK, look at the responses to anything on any platform by Diane Abbot, David Lammy, Sadiq Khan or any other prominent Black or Asian person. The ugliness that lurks in some hearts is all right there to see.[/QUOTE]

Those three attract a great deal of spleen because they’re serial race card players that spout utter bobbins at every opportunity.

 

[Angilion]

The inquiry which was legally challenged as the person leading it was appointed without application and was well known for stating he did not believe in racism [..]

Why do you think he stated exactly the opposite in the report you've rejected without reading because it doesn't say what you wanted it to say?

 

[dowie]

The comparison of wolf whistling, it’s easy to not see a point of view when you don’t face those issues on a daily basis. Whether it be black, male, female, white whatever.

Perhaps it is easy not to see it... but that isn't an explanation and the fact I can't see the point is what lead to the question in the first place. You don't seem to be able to explain your point here - what does wold whistling have to do with being white?

either way, other than linking the report, which has been panned - I haven’t seen any compelling evidence from any of you in here to dispute
tha the uk is not sysematically racist. Other than throwing around “woke”.

To dispute what though? You haven't made a falsifiable claim in the first place. In fact, so far, you don't seem to be able to answer even basic questions about any of the posts you've made.

 

[200sols]

I think it is you that is brushing the inconvenient truth under the carpet that certain BAME communities outperform white British in education and potential earnings

They wont listen, that point has been raised in several threads recently. It just gets swept aside because it goes against the narrative they want you to believe.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Racism in the UK certainly exists but I don't believe it to be institutional / systemic. I also don't understand the whole obsession of slavery. Yes slavery was a gross and shameful time in human history but it happened hundreds of years ago. No one alive now was involved or had any part of it, but there is real slavery going on today but I don't see many black people championing about it yet we are to believe that the actions of hundreds of years ago still blight the opportunities of black people today?

It's because we import much of our cultural narrative from America. No one alive in the US today may have been directly involved in the slave trade, but the repercussions of the slave trade, segregation, and Jim Crow laws (etc.) are still felt today by many African Americans.

I agree that slavery didn't have the same level of influence on the UK, but it shouldn't be too difficult to see why it has such cultural significance.

 

[Caracus2k]

If you don’t believe there is a significant problem of racism in the UK, look at the responses to anything on any platform by Diane Abbot, David Lammy, Sadiq Khan or any other prominent Black or Asian person. The ugliness that lurks in some hearts is all right there to see.

The three people you have mentioned are serially incompetent politicians who have habit themselves of making racially charged if not just plain racist remarks.

They often deserve and invite the criticism they receive.

Boris, Corbyn, Starmer and many other white men have been the subject of equally vitriolic attacks. You seem to think women and non white people are in need of special protection.

Strangely you dont see what you claim nearly half as much with Pritti Patel or Rishi Sunak.

Maybe not making a total *** of yourself and or making unfounded racial allegations when speaking publically matters more than your sex and ethnicity?

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Could it not be that traditionally, Chinese and Indian parents drive home that education is vitally important to get on in life and that you must study hard to their children and is that not reflected in educational attainment? Black, Pakistani and Bangladeshis don't have such focus on education and do poorly in comparison which then affects the earning potential of those groups. To then say the disparity is down to systemic racism seems to be nonsense to me and to then blame others for your own failings is wrong.

It depends, black families with an African background tend to have a focus on education.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

If I genuinely wanted to get a good report going I would hire someone with a significant backing and expertise in the field who was well respected by their peers.

You would hire someone who is financially motivated to say that there is a problem?

 

[AgentZ]

Strangely you dont see what you claim nearly half as much with Pritti Patel or Rishi Sunak.

There is something about Pritti Patel I really drives me up the wall. She could come out with some wonderful idea, brimming with compassion and understanding, soundly based on evidence and research, and I would still be scratching around looking where she has hidden the bodies.

 

[Caracus2k]

If I genuinely wanted to get a good report going I would hire someone with a significant backing and expertise in the field who was well respected by their peers.

Oh I can't wait to see who you think that might be....

Prof Kehinde Andrews

Ah as expected a rather mediocre race grifter is your immediate go to.

He's another racist who thinks skin colour should dictate a person's political views....

a "cabinet packed with ministers with brown skin wearing Tory masks represents the opposition of racial progress".

 

[Bear]

It depends, black families with an African background tend to have a focus on education.

Yes and as a result they have better outcomes, its almost like education pays

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I've worked in a few public sector companies - and I can tell you - racism absolutely exists. If you're BAME then you have far more opportunities than if you're white.

 

[Caracus2k]

I've worked in a few public sector companies - and I can tell you - racism absolutely exists. If you're BAME then you have far more opportunities than if you're white.

Indeed it's the only 'systemic' racism in this country.

What do people think happens when jobs applications say things like...

"We particularly welcome female applicants and those from an ethnic minority"

Statements like this are routinely found in adverts for jobs in the public sector and are creeping elsewhere.

 

[XeNoN89]

I've worked in a few public sector companies - and I can tell you - racism absolutely exists. If you're BAME then you have far more opportunities than if you're white.

and I've worked somewhere that was hiring to fill 8 positions and said 70% of them must be 'diverse'

Seems like white people has less opportunity there

 

[mburn_83]

An interesting report - that all the race grifters have been set off indicates some truth to it.

Out of interest, is there a country in the world that is better re racism - other than majority ethno states?