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Dailymail any better for you?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ack-female-bishop-says-race-report-wrong.html
Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ack-female-bishop-says-race-report-wrong.html
In order to believe that, you have to start from a position where black (etc) people start from a net disadvantage.
Maybe statistically they do, but there's no real proof that the primary cause of that is institutional/systemic racism, as opposed to other factors.
A lot of this depends on whether you are an advocate for equality of outcomes at all costs.
The more honest people here defending "affirmative action" type policies will say they believe in equality of outcomes. The less honest will talk of racism, slavery, oppression, etc.
Perfect timing
Would you say you are an advocate of equality of outcomes?
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Wait, what? Continue with this please?
If a white male wants to compete and buy for example, a corner shop, how can he compete with someone from a bame background who got a cheaper education and is being given grants (not loans) to make their business more cost effective?
how can a young white man get a job if the application process actively discriminates him before he even gets to interview stage by blocking his application?
On a separate note:
The guardian also posted this article presumably aimed at white people to guilt trip them into having fewer babies, when really im sure that white families in the uk have the lowest birthrate already.
You don't think there is a pattern here?
In order to believe that, you have to start from a position where black (etc) people start from a net disadvantage.
Maybe statistically they do, but there's no real proof that the primary cause of that is institutional/systemic racism, as opposed to other factors.
A lot of this depends on whether you are an advocate for equality of outcomes at all costs.
The more honest people here defending "affirmative action" type policies will say they believe in equality of outcomes. The less honest will talk of racism, slavery, oppression, etc.
Perfect timing
I'm not an advocate of equality of outcomes, I am, however, an advocate of the value of diversity. That doesn't just relate to race, gender etc, even within the generally considered homogenous groups that are straight white men and women, there is a huge range of experiences and values.
While a given role clearly has basic criteria that any applicant must meet, you want a range of personalities and experiences backing up those skills and training, and some of those people that make great contributions would get lost or wouldn't even think to apply in a standard hiring process, and in that case, targeted recruitment plans should be considered acceptable.
Now, if there are blanket hiring policies in place, or programs aimed simply to make up numbers, that's something different that I don't agree with.
The DM is not even trying to slate the report there.
It's repeating what the Bishop said without the buckets of negative editorial opinion that the guardian articles linked are heavy on then goes into a fairly neutral section about the report itself.
lol well played.
Wait, what? Continue with this please?
If a white male wants to compete and buy for example, a corner shop, how can he compete with someone from a bame background who got a cheaper education and is being given grants (not loans) to make their business more cost effective?
how can a young white man get a job if the application process actively discriminates him before he even gets to interview stage by blocking his application?
On a separate note:
The guardian also posted this article presumably aimed at white people to guilt trip them into having fewer babies, when really im sure that white families in the uk have the lowest birthrate already.
You don't think there is a pattern here?
How much racism do you want to demonstrate in trying to argue racism isn't a problem?
Why exactly did you use 'corner shops' as an example? That was the sort of lazy racism I grew up with in the 80s.
Why do you think the Guardian article is aimed at white people? Except you want to find a divisive angle?
So well played he should post his name and address as part of that post so he can be sent a prize.
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Ooh, what do I win?
A council house.
Did you really see that and immediately think of the race of the babies?!On a separate note:
The guardian also posted this article presumably aimed at white people to guilt trip them into having fewer babies, when really im sure that white families in the uk have the lowest birthrate already.
You don't think there is a pattern here?
I think you might do with turning of the news and logging off the political forums for a month if you’re inferring things like that. It’s pretty wild dude.
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What racism ? Its just an example if a small business of which there are a significant number in the uk.
Are you telling me that if an advert on tv, for example, includes people from diverse backgrounds that it is not targeting them?
These marketing people ain't dumb.
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If it was the other way around and showed 3 African or Asian babies for example, what message would that send?
They get better outcomes if they're as competent and capable as anyone else. If not I don't want them get into positions by positive discrimination and **** it up for people who could have done a better job.
You used an obvious racist connection between asians and corner shops. If you didnt mean to, you did it subconsciously due to racism.
As for the second bit, are you saying that because it was a white baby shown in the photo it was aimed at white people?
If so, you've randomly brought an article about climate change into this discussion because you're a racist and want to find something to bash someone about.
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What's racist about it? There are a number of shops owned by people from diverse backgrounds. This article isn't afraid to mention it,
But now you see a new generation are getting better education, thanks in part to the free grants etc set aside for bame groups. Do tell me, how does a poor white male compete with this?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/corner-shop-left-behind-as-young-asians-succeed-1.85408?mode=amp
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/5989969.the-end-of-the-corner-shop/
Shame on you for trying to play the race card on me.
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I never used to notice stuff like this, but I do now. Since the wokies insisted on racializing everything I can’t help but pay attention to demographics.
It must be a nightmare for advertising agencies these days. The client wants an advert based around a family having dinner. Ok we need black dad, white mum, one disabled child, and one sexually ambiguous child with a rainbow Mohawk. Oh, the dad is meant to be an object of ridicule? White dad and black mum it is then!
There's a whole branch of science behind it, subliminal or suggestive targetting. Why is it, The Gaudian, infamous for championing diversity and standing up for BAME people to an obsessive and extreme level. Shows a photo of all white babies? When there are thousands of stock photos of a mix of babies from various backgrounds they can use. It's clear who the message is targetting. And if you don't see that you're either blind as a bat or being selective due to an agenda.