Racist 1936 Mural!
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If we'd known how much trouble this was going to bring, we'd have picked our own cotton.
The whole point about Gollywogs was that they were the only "Doll" (apart from a Teddy Bear) that a little Boy could have in bed without being thought a Pinch of Snuff!
For people of My generation, Gollywogs were much loved toys. As were Books like "The Story of Little Black Sambo", which while stereotypical, were not unpleasantly so and were a way of introducing young children to the idea of exotic other parts of the world (The Tigers were stereotypical too!
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Of course, I was brought down to Earth somewhat on my first encounter with a real live Black man on the London Underground! (At the age of 8)
He tried to Rob me!
For people of My generation, Gollywogs were much loved toys. As were Books like "The Story of Little Black Sambo", which while stereotypical, were not unpleasantly so and were a way of introducing young children to the idea of exotic other parts of the world (The Tigers were stereotypical too!
)Of course, I was brought down to Earth somewhat on my first encounter with a real live Black man on the London Underground! (At the age of 8)
He tried to Rob me!
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He tried to Rob me!
That is what happens when you invite them to cuddle up with you in bed.
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Somebody said something about removing the artwork from the school and placing it in a museum or gallery, i think thats a terrific idea but unfortunately i dont think this will happen.
The school will panic and give in to the over reaction of one woman and the media storm she created and paint all over it.
The school will panic and give in to the over reaction of one woman and the media storm she created and paint all over it.
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If we'd known how much trouble this was going to bring, we'd have picked our own cotton.
Cretin.
I expect you're right, sadly. We should be preserving our heritage, despite the connotations. We still retain and treasure many appalling bits of history.
I don't understand what this woman is thinking. I can imagine that being called a *** is offensive, but this a picture of a black doll, not a racist poster. Hopefully she gets laughed out of court, or becomes the new poster woman for gollywogs.
On a similar note, someone emailed me this today. While they are at the very least cringe-worthy now, it's interesting to see just how acceptable sexism and racism was a matter of decades ago.
Back on topic, I doubt they'll paint over the mural considering the cash spent on restoring it. Hopefully common sense will prevail.
Back on topic, I doubt they'll paint over the mural considering the cash spent on restoring it. Hopefully common sense will prevail.
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I can only imagine the **** storm that would erupt if one of these was plastered on a billboard today
You're taking what I said out of context. *** IS a derogatory term used toward certain ethnic groups, I said nothing about the origins of the Gollywog doll though. No cart before the horse.
Yes correct. If you had been following the conversation you would see that it was in context. What you've done is quote me out of context regarding the conversation.
What about this one?
I remember thinking they were pushing their luck with that
Get that white women out of there
am I doing it right?
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You're taking what I said out of context. *** IS a derogatory term used toward certain ethnic groups, I said nothing about the origins of the Gollywog doll though. No cart before the horse.
You claimed that Golliwog was like making a doll called "Gollinigger" which implies the '***' part of the name was used as a racial epiphet. It wasn't, ***[probably] came from the golli doll and not that the golli doll was called a golliwog because the inventor wanted to add a racial slur to the name.
So it's not like calling a doll today a gollinigger because anyone doing that would be deliberately adding a known racial slur to the name, which didn't happen in the case of the golliwog.
Correct. In the context of the conversation, that is the analogy I was making in order to explain my point.
I did put a wiki quote up, which is where you seem to be getting confused between what I was saying and what Wiki was saying. This is what wiki was saying :
Wrong. I'm not going to explain why. You need to figure that out for yourself.
I'll give you a clue. Pretend it's not 2013 and is in fact 1930. They were originally supposed to be magical creatures, black gnomes iirc, not human, (like dark elves) it's only people minds that made them a racist over time
Stupid political correctness.
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In the 50's I collected paper golliwogs from Robertsons jams to get metal golliwog badges. I remember my sister and I had a large golliwog.
In the 80's, my daughter had one which she loved.
I am the most racially liberal person I know.
In the 80's, my daughter had one which she loved.
I am the most racially liberal person I know.
Correct. In the context of the conversation, that is the analogy I was making in order to explain my point.
I did put a wiki quote up, which is where you seem to be getting confused between what I was saying and what Wiki was saying. This is what wiki was saying :
Wrong. I'm not going to explain why. You need to figure that out for yourself.
You was trying make out that the word "Golliwog" meant "***" you even put a link to wiki for the word "***"
And it took another member to put you right with the correct link to wiki but still you go on. Shovel Hole
And me
and in them days GAY meant happy how much has this world changed 
Indeed this is true, he let them choose if they want to be the house slave or the field slave.
It's even funnier when you consider that the name "Golliwog" predates the word (well abbreviation) "***" XD
The was never anything racist about them, it's just peoples minds that twisted it. Sad really as I really liked my Gollywog as a child, and I am sure the fact my toy's had different coloured skin effected how my outlook on race developed for the better.
I bet you watched the Black and White Minstrel Show as well:
and nobody thought that was racist.