Personally i think you need to take a chill pill. Far to aggressive with your posting. Everyone seems to be digging some hole when trying to have a debate with you. It's only a forum.
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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199
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Why?No one is forcing anyone to buy the FE and pay a premium for the machined metal cooler and the stupid name.
It's Nvidia's design v Amd's design. It might not even be fair on the £525 card as after a bit of gaming it might throttle. Maybe we should compare the 2 in a 20 minute run instead of a 2-3 minute benchmark.
What spamming and trolling?
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I thought we were having a discussion on the merits of a single 1080 and xfire RX480's which is obviously what AMD want us to do as that is what they showed us in the benchmark?
I am sorry if you don't like being put right on the 1080 price comparison but I don't want people to be mislead by misleading posts.
No point comparing CF RX 480s to a 1080 as the card needs to stand or fall in single GPU usage, something it does well for the price.
The other thing that will make the comparison pointless is after people have paid the early adapters tax for the 1080 FE the card will probably drop in price over the next couple of months.
The other thing that will make the comparison pointless is after people have paid the early adapters tax for the 1080 FE the card will probably drop in price over the next couple of months.
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There is no point in comparing the 480 to the 1080 full stop really. When it hit's the market it should be compared to the other cards in it's price range. So basically if it's £160-£200 it should be compared against 380x and gtx960 4gb. Possibly add in the tier above.
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I would say that the massive response to AMD doing exactly that means it was a good move.
People will be thinking, well if crossfire 480 is more powerful than a 1080 that means one 480 is more than half the performance of a 1080 at 1/3 of the price may be more if £160 rumours turn out to be true.
Considering most people cannot afford a 1080 it was an easy way to put things into perspective.
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you wot m8?
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lol.
Easy for you to call me out on a mistake, right?
Let me rephrase correctly:
TWO AMD 480's ARE more powerful than an NVIDIA 1080 at over £200 less
Sorry for the error.
Well as a single card the 480 is looking promising as a stopgap until Vega certainly a much cheaper stopgap than the 1080 until the 1080Ti hits. Then again we all have varying budgets and AMD's prices more costly match mine.
Real user benchmarks is what I'm waiting for...
Real user benchmarks is what I'm waiting for...
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yes, the problem is that most people are actually interested in single card performance, they are looking at that same slide and seeing "51% utilisation" and assuming that a single 480 is going to be much more than half a 1080
the positivity is coming from a false assumption, one that AMD created by renaming the 51% GPU Bound figure from AOTS as 51% utilisation, which is entirely a different connotation
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It has been discussed at length here.
Why don't you start another dedicated thread about it where you can focus on the topic if you wish as you are clearly passionate about it.
From what I gauge, most people are impressed by the fact a comparable 390 is $200, despite what that AOTS benchmark shows.
As you rightly suggest, Xfire doesn't work for most people anyway.
AMD are putting out a great price/performance GPU for the masses. Its no wonder they have had a great response directly relating to that.
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it's always usefull to have a long term vision on where things might land in a year or 2, rather than being stuck in a year or 2 in the past.
a lot of ppl seem to have an issue with mgpu understandably from past experience, but complete disregard of potential change isn't good.
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MGPU will get better once devs start getting to grips with it on dx12 and Vulkan.
Amd has released tools for devs on GpuOpen so I do expect MGPU to start getting better.
Amd has released tools for devs on GpuOpen so I do expect MGPU to start getting better.
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AMD's follow on from Vega is Navi.
AMD's road map states that Navi will be based on a scalable model.
I imagine that one single small GPU will be mass manufactured and different graphics cards will have a varying level of GPU's attached, on the interposer.
Consoles will likely take the same route, IMO.
If that is the case however, there is a lot of work for AMD to do in a small amount of time to bring this model to market in time for Navi's slated appearance which I believe is around late 2017.
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People won't be keeping these GPUs for 10 years, they will use them for a year or two then upgrade when something better comes along.
thats one of the reason AMD's market share becomes critical, Navi architecture depands on it, they need to get to 50% to be able to drag the industry on that direction, what if nvidia decides ok we will stick to single gpu disregading the cost increase, we would have 2 directions with nvidia's product overly more expensive, and AMD late to the party or plagued with issues if the industry sticks with single gpu.
but what koduri said on the interview seem to be the logical way to go, and i think nvidia will have scalable chip too, and the sooner they announce it the better mgpu will get, and most engines will be built for mgpu going forward, getting rid of th issues that plagues it right now.
so it is possible that in 2017/2018 having 2x480 could be more appealing than having a single 1080
Not really.
The RX 480 has to perform in single card mode as CF does not always work.
AOTS is a terrible bench to use to demonstrate anything in mGPU mode. The bench changes from month to month with updates. Even more importantly you get the same sort of scaling with RX 480 CF as you do when mixing cards like Fury X, TitanX, 980 Ti or Fury P, any two will give the same scaling.