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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

Just as myself and 8 Pack commented, the RX 480 will not damage any motherboards from any reputable brand like Asus, MSI, Gigabyte or Asrock etc. He even tested upto 130W through the PCI-E slot with no ill effect.

Easy for you to say, my motherboard is out of warranty and 2 years old at this point. There might not be any short term damage but long term on older boards could potentially cause an issue in the future.

Will you replace my out of warranty board if it kills it? No?
 
Easy for you to say, my motherboard is out of warranty and 2 years old at this point. There might not be any short term damage but long term on older boards could potentially cause an issue in the future.

Will you replace my out of warranty board if it kills it? No?


To be honest, Roman, 8 Pack run cards on LN2 in their same motherboards for months on end doing extreme benchmarking where the cards are way beyond PCI-E limits and their motherboards do not fail them and they absolutely beat on those things.

It is a pretty mute argument, our overclocked CPU's do not fail when pushed beyond the manufacturers stock speeds.

I think it is funny, your all happy to overclock your processors, overclock your graphics cards and memory well beyond the speeds they came out the box with and there are no issues. But all of a sudden PCI-E slots going above the stated 75W will result in failures, of course it won't.

Still it is a pretty mute point anyway as AMD will release a driver today which resolves the issue to shut up the media as Roman nicely puts it in the video. :)
 
To be honest, Roman, 8 Pack run cards on LN2 in their same motherboards for months on end doing extreme benchmarking where the cards are way beyond PCI-E limits and their motherboards do not fail them and they absolutely beat on those things.

It is a pretty mute argument, our overclocked CPU's do not fail when pushed beyond the manufacturers stock speeds.

I think it is funny, your all happy to overclock your processors, overclock your graphics cards and memory well beyond the speeds they came out the box with and there are no issues. But all of a sudden PCI-E slots going above the stated 75W will result in failures, of course it won't.

Still it is a pretty mute point anyway as AMD will release a driver today which resolves the issue to shut up the media as Roman nicely puts it in the video. :)

I don't do any of that, nothing of mine is overclocked. Everything about mine is stock.

I think it's shocking that you are disregarding everyones fears and concerns just because your own staff have cherry picked hardware that don't run 24/7. Boards might be able to handle it short term but long term damage may be possible.

Do please keep being condescending, I might return my OCUK bought hardware and shop elsewhere in the future.
 
If your mobo is only two years old it's highly unlikely that you'll have a problem.

The people that are at higher risk of having problems are those that are opening up their HP's, Dell's, etc, and fitting aftermarket cards. Those boards are usually built to a minimum spec/cost.

I had a motherboard more than 10 years ago that would allow OC of the PCI-E lanes by design.
 
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To be honest, Roman, 8 Pack run cards on LN2 in their same motherboards for months on end doing extreme benchmarking where the cards are way beyond PCI-E limits and their motherboards do not fail them and they absolutely beat on those things.

It is a pretty mute argument, our overclocked CPU's do not fail when pushed beyond the manufacturers stock speeds.

I think it is funny, your all happy to overclock your processors, overclock your graphics cards and memory well beyond the speeds they came out the box with and there are no issues. But all of a sudden PCI-E slots going above the stated 75W will result in failures, of course it won't.

Still it is a pretty mute point anyway as AMD will release a driver today which resolves the issue to shut up the media as Roman nicely puts it in the video. :)

Fair points Gibbo but not everyone runs Rampage boards etc and this video shows what is what with cheaper boards.

 
Fair points Gibbo but not everyone runs Rampage boards etc and this video shows what is what with cheaper boards.


With cheaper boards there isn't that many owners that would overclock though I would always recommend that if you wanted to overclock start with a good PSU and Motherboard ;)
 
To be honest, Roman, 8 Pack run cards on LN2 in their same motherboards for months on end doing extreme benchmarking where the cards are way beyond PCI-E limits and their motherboards do not fail them and they absolutely beat on those things.

It is a pretty mute argument, our overclocked CPU's do not fail when pushed beyond the manufacturers stock speeds.

I think it is funny, your all happy to overclock your processors, overclock your graphics cards and memory well beyond the speeds they came out the box with and there are no issues. But all of a sudden PCI-E slots going above the stated 75W will result in failures, of course it won't.

Still it is a pretty mute point anyway as AMD will release a driver today which resolves the issue to shut up the media as Roman nicely puts it in the video. :)

its no good gibbo everyone is on to you, your plan is to sell loads of 480's then sell loads of motherboards after they have all blown up, hah you have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one over on us:D
 
Surely if its a cheaper board, but allows overclocking via the BIOS then it shall be fine anyway. :)

I sent Asus an email and they couldn't give me assurances that it would be fine with my board (Asus X99-A II) and the amount of crashing I have had makes me wonder if it is part of the problem or if it is a faulty card. I will put the 480 back in when the drivers are released and see if it still does it, but if it doesn't, then clearly there was a problem.
 
I don't do any of that, nothing of mine is overclocked. Everything about mine is stock.

I think it's shocking that you are disregarding everyones fears and concerns just because your own staff have cherry picked hardware that don't run 24/7. Boards might be able to handle it short term but long term damage may be possible.

Do please keep being condescending, I might return my OCUK bought hardware and shop elsewhere in the future.


Sorry if you feel my post is condescending, but the threat of not shopping with us because you don't like my opinion on the matter won't stop myself from posting.

Even Asus engineers who design the motherboards have stated that even though the RX 480 exceeds PCI-E power limits they are not worried about their mainboards failing, thats all Asus motherboards including the cheaper ones.

Sorry but I will take an Asus engineers word any day over some hyped up media looking for news and as already stated it is a very moot (spelt correctly this time ;) ) point as AMD will fix it via a driver release that is due today.
 
I sent Asus an email and they couldn't give me assurances that it would be fine with my board (Asus X99-A II) and the amount of crashing I have had makes me wonder if it is part of the problem or if it is a faulty card. I will put the 480 back in when the drivers are released and see if it still does it, but if it doesn't, then clearly there was a problem.


An easy way to test would be drop the clock speeds to say 1000MHz on the core and reduce voltage, also set the fan to minimum speed, that will reduce power consumption. If it then starts to work then it is either the motherboard struggling or you have a faulty GPU. Or just wait for the new driver to see if that fixes things.
 
An easy way to test would be drop the clock speeds to say 1000MHz on the core and reduce voltage, also set the fan to minimum speed, that will reduce power consumption. If it then starts to work then it is either the motherboard struggling or you have a faulty GPU. Or just wait for the new driver to see if that fixes things.

I will wait for the new drivers.

This is the reply I got from Asus btw.

Dear Mr. Greg,

Thank you for contacting Asus, my name is Allen and I will try my best to assist you with your situation.

Please feel free to rate our service according to the solution provided in the questionnaire that will be sent to you shortly after our reply to your inquiry.

I inform you that usualy the motherboard will not allow the graphics card to draw more than 75W even if the graphics card doesn't have a set limit to this wattage.

Unfortunately we are not able to test if a graphics card that doesn't use the correct limits for the PCIe port can or will damage the motherboard.

We understand that AMD will release a patch for RX 480 in a few days and we advise that you contact the vendor of your graphics card to make sure you have the latest revision installed.

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back in touch with us.

Best Regards,

Allen

ASUS Technical Support
 
Toms is measuring / charting in a way that really confuses folks. Their 'max' gets bumped up by a very fast unfiltered sample rate, which catches sub-ms peaks that are a side effect of the DC-DC converters (phases) used to supply GPUs. We confirmed with motherboard makers that their boards can handle such peaks without issue. They also confirmed that it is the sustained current draw (average plot line in Toms results) that can potentially damage boards / slots. We made a video to try and explain this to folks - here. We test with a low-pass filter that gives us a ~1/4 sec running average, meaning we can filter out the peak/dip noise and still catch momentary overages that are significant enough to heat things up / potentially cause damage.

I saw this yesterday. A good video and one of my favourite YouTube channels. :)
 
I will wait for the new drivers.

This is the reply I got from Asus btw.

I know you don't want to have to mess about with any settings, as it shouldn't be necessary to get the card working, but have you checked if your bios has configurable pci-e slot power limits? It could be your board is set in the bios to enforce the spec power limit.

The Asus message is a bit of a stock "covering-their-arse" reply. I would be very surprised if they didn't build an enthusiast board, designed to handle overclocking, to be able to safely deliver more than 'to spec' power targets and current through the x16 slot.
 
Sorry if you feel my post is condescending, but the threat of not shopping with us because you don't like my opinion on the matter won't stop myself from posting.

Even Asus engineers who design the motherboards have stated that even though the RX 480 exceeds PCI-E power limits they are not worried about their mainboards failing, thats all Asus motherboards including the cheaper ones.

Sorry but I will take an Asus engineers word any day over some hyped up media looking for news and as already stated it is a very moot (spelt correctly this time ;) ) point as AMD will fix it via a driver release that is due today.

It's not a threat and I wasn't trying to shut you up. Telling someone it's not an issue just because someone uses a cherry picked, couple of hundred quid worth of motherboard that has beefed up power phases to overclock for a few days rather than consistently overpowering the PCI-E slot 24/7 on an 80 quid board that there isn't an issue when you can't know for sure is a bit disingenuous.

ASUS can't know for sure how MSI, Gigabyte, etc.. build their cheap boards. If you are that confident will you cover the out of warranty motherboard I have if a card I bought from you that you say is fine, kills it?
 
I will wait for the new drivers.

This is the reply I got from Asus btw.

To be honest, I never expected Asus to openly come out and say that no matter what. I mean, do me a favour Gregster and reply with this:

Dear Asus Support,

Thank you for your reply. Actually the real reason I was asking was not the 480. I only got that for a review and don't intend to use it at all going forward. What's really happening is this:

I must be the luckiest person on earth! I came across this old 780ti card which I installed in my computer and found out that I can overclock it to 5000MHz!!! Needless to say, I am very happy about this. I've been playing games with it for over two years with no issues at all!

It runs a bit hot (it draws about 2000W on average from the PCIe slot when I overclock it, so I have to pedal really fast to cover the lack of PSU power via a generator I've hooked up to the MB for the purpose of feeding extra power in by pedalling).

Anyway, it keeps me fit and my FPS are through the roof, so obviously I have no need for this lame 480 (my 780ti even beats out the 1080 so...)

In any case, with all this fuss about the 480 overdraw, I'm actually worried I may damage my motherboard if I keep going.

So I wanted to ask you, forget about the 480 and just let me know if it's really a practical issue for my motherboard. I really don't want to give up on my 780ti.

Thanks,
Gregster

I mean you don't have to use my funny tone, but my guess is that if you ask them simply "I've been overdrawing power from PCIe slightly and wanted to check if that's really an issue" their answer would be the same... and I think that's fair.

I don't think it's that much of an issue but am now of the opinion AMD need to fix it no matter what (even with a performance drop) purely on account of the bad press it's getting, and the fact that no sane manufacturer would give a "blank cheque" on this.

By the way, do let us know as soon as you've tested the new drivers. It'll be very interesting if you problems disappear. I only hope the "power draw thing" is the ONLY change in these drivers (so we can be sure it was indeed causing your issues).

Cheers!
 
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