I agree the prices are ridiculous, but why some people think AMD should be half the price ill never understand. This tends to be the mindset of people who will never buy AMD cards and wont pay the inflated prices of Nvidia. So rely on the cheaper AMD cards to bring down Nvidia prices.
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I agree the prices are ridiculous, but why some people think AMD should be half the price ill never understand. This tends to be the mindset of people who will never buy AMD cards and wont pay the inflated prices of Nvidia. So rely on the cheaper AMD cards to bring down Nvidia prices.
I'm sorry it wasn't clear that the intentions was that, AMD release an identically or better performing GPU at what should be "normal" prices. If that is the case then I agree in principal. But that does not change the fact that when AMD have done this, Nvidia simply dropped prices to match and people forgot that Nvidia shafted them and bought Nvidia anyway.
Agreed, this is how it has always played out in the past. I despair when someone cries about Nvidia greed and pricing and then blames AMD for not being competitive. Then when AMD does compete and Nvidia drop prices to realistic levels, those very same people reward Nvidia with their money.
Exactly,the 1060 and the Rx480 were equal products in terms of performance, i could be right in saying the 1060 was a bit more expensive? Yet the 1060 sold in much higher numbers.
The thing is, I was always one of the people who bought AMD. I've always struggled to understand why when AMD performed better and cost less people still bought Nvidia.
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The driver maturity have given the Vega cards really good improvements in gaming.
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So you acknowledge that Nvidia's prices are grotesque, but advocate AMD joining the party and overcharge for their cards too?
That makes two of us.
Gibbo already said they would be £650 - £700 depending on brand. They are all identical reference brands so quality is identical but warranty is better on MSI compared to Sapphire for example. With MSI and Gigabyte the warranty is with the GPU and not the customer, so selling it on means the warrant is not void.
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Do you know how much hatred is spread across the world against AMD. AMD is known to be "a small, garage firm, not capable of anything, in intel and nvidia the truth was..." This by people in the IT sector!
Because from very young, the children are taught to believe in the intel/nvidia religion and any company that tries to compete, is immediately ridiculed and sent to the relegation tiers.
Also, because people naturally lean more towards the dark, where nvidia is known to resident.
It needs to be taken in context. Radeon VII is a stop gap because Navi will be 3 months late as it failed its tape-out. Vega VII was never meant to be released because it costs $750 to build and is "only" trading performance with 1080Ti (and by extension RTX 2080).
Nvidia pricing left a gap AMD could release Radeon VII without making massive losses and could at least show "we can compete with Nvidia near the top end"
I don't know how much profit Nvidia are making on Turing but if Nvidia released Turing at realistic prices then Radeon VII would not be getting released at all IMHO.
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It didn't meet the performance targets or... ?
According to AdoredTV the performance was better than expected but there was a last minute issue with the chip so it has been delayed. We don't know what the issue was but I doubt it was performance related.
Link here but basically performance was better than expected but it had stability problems so need re-spun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8EONokJTdU
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So I'm hearing that due to the large amount of RAM on these cards, and a newly launched cryptocoin a week or so ago, that many of the chinese mining firms have already pre-ordered these by the ton.
The new currency (GRIN) had already collapsed in value over 90%, but it was massively hyped.
Anyone more 'in the know' able to comment on the availability of the cards? I'd hate if things were still as bad as during the Vega launch - prices rocketing and gamers SoL as AMD couldn't ramp up production and 'coiners snapped them all up at any price.
The new currency (GRIN) had already collapsed in value over 90%, but it was massively hyped.
Anyone more 'in the know' able to comment on the availability of the cards? I'd hate if things were still as bad as during the Vega launch - prices rocketing and gamers SoL as AMD couldn't ramp up production and 'coiners snapped them all up at any price.
Ok, thanks for the information. Good to know that the performance beat the expectations. This will be good for us once we use these chips.
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Fully agree, and said similar in my post yesterday (post 818). I don't think Navi failing its tape out in September influenced Radeon VII, I think it was more the toing and froing inside AMD as AdoredTV alluded to; the combination of RTX technology being underwhelming and RTX products being overly expensive opened up a gap that AMD could slip into and changed their minds about a Vega consumer GPU. Whether or not it would've happened otherwise we'll never know, and I guess it depends on where AMD are sourcing their Vega 20 packages from.
If those Vega packages were simply going to be discarded because they didn't make the cut for Instinct cards, any money AMD could recoup from their sale would be a bonus, so if the RTX 2080 came in at a sensible price, AMD probably would have still released the Radeon VII. That quoted $750 per card thing is irrelevant if AMD were losing money regardless by throwing away Vega 20 packages - the money has largely already been spent to get the Vega and HBM stitched together. If AMD are actually redirecting perfectly fine MI50 packages to Radeon VII then that's a bloody expensive PR stunt given how much revenue is lost for every datacenter card not sold
If RTX performance was better then no, Radeon VII probably wouldn't have happened because it would've been an expensive card that just didn't compete.
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Hey just my 2 pence but if the new PlayStation and xbox feature the navi 10 lite as the gpu to power 4k 60fps gaming. I think we are looking at the navi 10 non lite as a power house not a 580 /vega replacement i. E the 3080X No??