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[Illuminist]

Just a random thought I had while smoking a cig in the freezing cold had to write it down to be first

2080ti is £1000
Just for simplicity the core and ram is 700 the tensor is 100 and the rt core cost 200

My idea

Make a card that is 2 the amount of rt cores only and have it in the second slot for sli

Then buy one of these and a 2060 for amazing raytracing. XD

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Folk chat such a load of trip on the internet especially in tech forums like this, most have never had there hands on the devices they put down.
I had a 56, it was brilliant once you played with it- bit average out the box but hey its an overclockers dream... well really it kinda was.
I now have a 1080ti, nvidias finest for a long time and that includes the rubbish they are selling now for daft money.

Its good as well, both my cards were great at there price points although the 1080ti could do with an extra 100 of so mhz i see folk getting

 

[Harlequin]

Arrgh you win

Love Gerard`s video , Nv got so much stick they made a self **** take one as the FX 5800 / 5900 and 5950 wernt really much good. They came back with the 6800 Ultra and the fight carried on

 

[malachi]

So, who will be giving up their Vega 64 for this? As I am thinking about it.

 

[Brazo]

Buying a high end graphics card & then limiting it's performance doesn't make sense to me, what's the point? The air-cooled reference Vega's are like hair dryer's, My PC is right next to me so I also want my pc to be as quiet as possible as I don't game with headphones on but even so I still want the best performance I can get out of it which is why it took me so long to get my cards balanced.

So you're able to get yours to run at 900mv in state 7 with an overclock?

Here's how I had mine, I only tweaked state 6 & 7.

Spoiler

I don’t think he’s gimping the performance, indeed he said plus 5%. The good thing about undervolting is you can choose a quiet card with less performance or boost the performance with an increased overclock.

My 56 easy went to stock 64 performance once tweaked. It was poor out the box though. I am a silent pc freak and so undervolting and reducing performance for less dB does appeal to me. Unfortunately in my experiments to get the sapphire pulse 56 completely silent at load (as in no fans or ultra low rpm) you have to cripple the performance.

That is one benefit of the lower tdp Turing cards, couple with a beefy triple slot cooler and you literally get 0db at full load.

 

[Phixsator]

I don’t think he’s gimping the performance, indeed he said plus 5%. The good thing about undervolting is you can choose a quiet card with less performance or boost the performance with an increased overclock.

My 56 easy went to stock 64 performance once tweaked. It was poor out the box though. I am a silent pc freak and so undervolting and reducing performance for less dB does appeal to me. Unfortunately in my experiments to get the sapphire pulse 56 completely silent at load (as in no fans or ultra low rpm) you have to cripple the performance.

That is one benefit of the lower tdp Turing cards, couple with a beefy triple slot cooler and you literally get 0db at full load.

The sapphire nitro+ version of vega 64, which i have, is near silent and the beauty of it all is that undervolting leads to more performance and not less with vega if done proper. Power draw is good(but of course not best in class), noise is non existing and performance is awesome. But as many have noted outta the box experience of vega leaves some/a lot to be desired. Its a proper enthusiast card imho and you can usually see on the reviews around the web who is a complete tool of a reviewer(most of them) and who isn't.

 

[Vish Petrol]

Just a random thought I had while smoking a cig in the freezing cold had to write it down to be first

2080ti is £1000
Just for simplicity the core and ram is 700 the tensor is 100 and the rt core cost 200

My idea

Make a card that is 2 the amount of rt cores only and have it in the second slot for sli

Then buy one of these and a 2060 for amazing raytracing. XD

I don't think anyone would have beat you to this idea. But would be great at 1080/1440p

 

[Illuminist]

I don't think anyone would have beat you to this idea. But would be great at 1080/1440p

That's what I meant

Keep your current gpu and buy a raytrace card separately.. Nvidia I want royalties

 

[ICDP]

Buying a high end graphics card & then limiting it's performance doesn't make sense to me, what's the point? The air-cooled reference Vega's are like hair dryer's, My PC is right next to me so I also want my pc to be as quiet as possible as I don't game with headphones on but even so I still want the best performance I can get out of it which is why it took me so long to get my cards balanced.

So you're able to get yours to run at 900mv in state 7 with an overclock?

Here's how I had mine, I only tweaked state 6 & 7.

Spoiler

Here is a guide I made about overclocking and undervolting Vega 64.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...king-undervolting-information-guide.18793012/

The numbers shown in the table are what was achieved doing benchmark runs in Rise of the Tomb Raider. During these benchmark runs the stock clocks were 1440. If gaming for prolonged periods core temperatures reached 85c and core clock would drop to ~1350 or lower due to temperature throttling. Obviously this was inside a closed case.

In order to maintain core clocks at stock I had to raise fan RPM to 2600 and it became unbearable. Undervolting as shown in the table dropped power use by 70w and kept core temps at ~77-80c, this in turn meant GPU was able to keep clocks of around 1430 even for prolonged use because the temperatures were substantially reduced. Coupled with the higher HBM speed it game me a mild overclock with lower temperatures and lower noise. So I was not limiting its performance I was actually getting a mild overclock as well as massively improving power consumption and noise levels.

Incidentally if I undervolted and kept stock fan RPM at ~2400 core clocks were actually ~1500.

 

[ICDP]

The sapphire nitro+ version of vega 64, which i have, is near silent and the beauty of it all is that undervolting leads to more performance and not less with vega if done proper. Power draw is good(but of course not best in class), noise is non existing and performance is awesome. But as many have noted outta the box experience of vega leaves some/a lot to be desired. Its a proper enthusiast card imho and you can usually see on the reviews around the web who is a complete tool of a reviewer(most of them) and who isn't.

So true on the reviewers, most of them pumped power limit to + 50% and Vega 64 stock fans could simply not cope. So thy declared it a crap overclocker when in reality it genuinely is a tweakers dream.

 

[Illuminist]

So true on the reviewers, most of them pumped power limit to + 50% and Vega 64 stock fans could simply not cope. So thy declared it a crap overclocker when in reality it genuinely is a tweakers dream.

Yeah I watched a video of a guy using the - 30 outside in America at the moment to cool his vega to 1 degree.
And then was very sad to see him completely fluff his way through overclocking it with no under volt at all. His YouTube has many thousands watching him and its just shocking. He got 1850mhz on the core and 1000 on the hbm and called it a day. .....

 

[Illuminist]

Here is a guide I made about overclocking and undervolting Vega 64.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...king-undervolting-information-guide.18793012/

The numbers shown in the table are what was achieved doing benchmark runs in Rise of the Tomb Raider. During these benchmark runs the stock clocks were 1440. If gaming for prolonged periods core temperatures reached 85c and core clock would drop to ~1350 or lower due to temperature throttling. Obviously this was inside a closed case.

In order to maintain core clocks at stock I had to raise fan RPM to 2600 and it became unbearable. Undervolting as shown in the table dropped power use by 70w and kept core temps at ~77-80c, this in turn meant GPU was able to keep clocks of around 1430 even for prolonged use because the temperatures were substantially reduced. Coupled with the higher HBM speed it game me a mild overclock with lower temperatures and lower noise. So I was not limiting its performance I was actually getting a mild overclock as well as massively improving power consumption and noise levels.

Incidentally if I undervolted and kept stock fan RPM at ~2400 core clocks were actually ~1500.

I am pretty proud of this, 2nd place in da wurld, did it seeing as it will be sold in 3 days, good old Veronica Vega

 

[Brazo]

So true on the reviewers, most of them pumped power limit to + 50% and Vega 64 stock fans could simply not cope. So thy declared it a crap overclocker when in reality it genuinely is a tweakers dream.

Only a Tweakers dream because they are genuinely so crap out of the box and might I add so unnecessarily crap out of the box. It’s almost like Ferrari selling you their latest that is so very unremarkable and giving you a laptop and diagnostic software to ‘bring’ back the performance (that was always there) to make people think they are getting an overclock.

 

[Martini1991]

So, who will be giving up their Vega 64 for this? As I am thinking about it.

At £500 I'd be tempted.
But not at £700.

I'd rather wait another generation.

 

[Martini1991]

Only a Tweakers dream because they are genuinely so crap out of the box and might I add so unnecessarily crap out of the box. It’s almost like Ferrari selling you their latest that is so very unremarkable and giving you a laptop and diagnostic software to ‘bring’ back the performance (that was always there) to make people think they are getting an overclock.

This is the thing.
Out of the box, Vega 64 is basically broken (Reference version).

You need to tweak it to run it to what *should* be considered stock performance.

 

[Tute]

At £500 I'd be tempted.
But not at £700.

I'd rather wait another generation.

I've been back and forth but I really don't want to support putting these cards at £700 given it's 1080Ti performance. I think AMD missed a chance in making it 16GB, it's jacked the price up and half of it won't get utilised properly.

 

[Gerard]

I've been back and forth but I really don't want to support putting these cards at £700 given it's 1080Ti performance. I think AMD missed a chance in making it 16GB, it's jacked the price up and half of it won't get utilised properly.

It had to be a 16 gig card, the hbm is already on the package when they're tested. Had they disabled 8 gigs then that's just throttling the bandwidth which is what made Vega 64 suffer.

 

[Panos]

So, who will be giving up their Vega 64 for this? As I am thinking about it.

I will get one, however I have no idea when will actually test the card, as on Sunday leaving the country.
Until I settle to my own place in Greece, will be living like a refugee on a friend's couch. So access to the laptop only. :/

 

[nashathedog]

Here is a guide I made about overclocking and undervolting Vega 64.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...king-undervolting-information-guide.18793012/

The numbers shown in the table are what was achieved doing benchmark runs in Rise of the Tomb Raider. During these benchmark runs the stock clocks were 1440. If gaming for prolonged periods core temperatures reached 85c and core clock would drop to ~1350 or lower due to temperature throttling. Obviously this was inside a closed case.

In order to maintain core clocks at stock I had to raise fan RPM to 2600 and it became unbearable. Undervolting as shown in the table dropped power use by 70w and kept core temps at ~77-80c, this in turn meant GPU was able to keep clocks of around 1430 even for prolonged use because the temperatures were substantially reduced. Coupled with the higher HBM speed it game me a mild overclock with lower temperatures and lower noise. So I was not limiting its performance I was actually getting a mild overclock as well as massively improving power consumption and noise levels.

Incidentally if I undervolted and kept stock fan RPM at ~2400 core clocks were actually ~1500.

It took me ages to get my card running how I wanted it, That was with the core running anywhere from 1590 to 1660 depending on the game, There's a lot variance on a game by game basis with Vega, which may be true with any card I don't know, I don't recall ever keeping tabs on it like this before. At full load my fan would make a gentle hum with occasional speed ups to ensure no throttling but they were occasional and it wasn't a loud speed up. I didn't want to let my real time clocks drop as much as yours as I need the performance to run a 3440x1440 monitor.

I will get one, however I have no idea when will actually test the card, as on Sunday leaving the country.
Until I settle to my own place in Greece, will be living like a refugee on a friend's couch. So access to the laptop only. :/

It is tempting but waiting until we see performance & price is the smarter move as we can get a decent 2080 for under £700 so that might be the better option.

 

[Vish Petrol]

If its £600 after selling any addon games and matches the 2080 i'd be very happy with that. I see the vega 7 aging well. as id look to keep it for several years at ultrawide. My 1070 was just a stopgap.