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Radeon VII

harmattan said:
Folks over at [H] forums were more interested I the sweet metal case it came in than the card itself, if that tells you anything. Not much revealed, your standard three-fan cooler and shroud.
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I'm a bit concerned that they've hamstrung the card by designing it to not go over being two slots thick, In some of the picture it look like they hollowed out the heatsink to get the fans flush, We know from the 14nm Vega's that you need a good solid chunk of heatsink to keep the cards cool, The Sapphire Nitro & Powercolor Red Devil are the best Vega's for good reason, they're practically house bricks and even then they only just get the job done. 14nm Vega has proven to be power hungry & hot & I doubt the shrink to 7nm has done much to change that especially with it having an extra stack of memory which will probably offset any improvement 7nm offered over 14nm in repects to the heat generated.
 
To be fair they make hovers/radios ect too :p

Though technically there power tools to I guess :D

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Has EK made a decision on whether they are doing a block for V7 do we know ?
 
pete910 said:
To be fair they make hovers/radios ect too :p

Though technically there power tools to I guess :D

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Has EK made a decision on whether they are doing a block for V7 do we know ?
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EK said they don't plan to release one atm, but would change down the road if shown that there's demand.
 
nashathedog said:
I'm a bit concerned that they've hamstrung the card by designing it to not go over being two slots thick, In some of the picture it look like they hollowed out the heatsink to get the fans flush, We know from the 14nm Vega's that you need a good solid chunk of heatsink to keep the cards cool, The Sapphire Nitro & Powercolor Red Devil are the best Vega's for good reason, they're practically house bricks and even then they only just get the job done. 14nm Vega has proven to be power hungry & hot & I doubt the shrink to 7nm has done much to change that especially with it having an extra stack of memory which will probably offset any improvement 7nm offered over 14nm in repects to the heat generated.
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I have no clue why you say these things, my Red Dragon 56 is running around 25c idle with 541rpm fan speed, runs at 31-32c with Zero Fan rpm.. at load with GTA V running all Very High settings my 56 doesnt even see temps above the low 60's and all using below 200w. And thats a 1677/950 OC.

If you're just gona go all out raw fps then i guess thats where people are doing it wrong, i use FreeSync with frame limiters or Chill or Vsync running smooth asf to my refresh rate.

Saying stuff like this just doesnt help AMD in the slightest.
 
nashathedog said:
I'm a bit concerned that they've hamstrung the card by designing it to not go over being two slots thick, In some of the picture it look like they hollowed out the heatsink to get the fans flush, We know from the 14nm Vega's that you need a good solid chunk of heatsink to keep the cards cool, The Sapphire Nitro & Powercolor Red Devil are the best Vega's for good reason, they're practically house bricks and even then they only just get the job done. 14nm Vega has proven to be power hungry & hot & I doubt the shrink to 7nm has done much to change that especially with it having an extra stack of memory which will probably offset any improvement 7nm offered over 14nm in repects to the heat generated.
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It has a vapour chamber on it as well, and the heatsink seems to extend out past the fans to the shroud so looks beefy enough. It was noted at ces that some people had the case panel off on the demo system and said the card was barely audible. Just hope that alsop extends to the retail boards.
 
MyBrains said:
I have no clue why you say these things, my Red Dragon 56 is running around 25c idle with 541rpm fan speed, runs at 31-32c with Zero Fan rpm.. at load with GTA V running all Very High settings my 56 doesnt even see temps above the low 60's and all using below 200w. And thats a 1677/950 OC.

If you're just gona go all out raw fps then i guess thats where people are doing it wrong, i use FreeSync with frame limiters or Chill or Vsync running smooth asf to my refresh rate.

Saying stuff like this just doesnt help AMD in the slightest.
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I say what I think because I'm allowed to give an opinion just like you are, Please don't make it about brand, I don't care who's behind the product I just give my opinion and I'm not going to give one through rose tinted glasses because it's a product from a certain brand, It should always be about the product, so I'm not going to cherrypick what I say because it's not going to be to everyone's liking, I'm only interested in the facts & as someone that's owned 3 different Vega 64's (5 if you include the AIO & second Red Devil which both got returned after about a week due to faults) I think I'm in a position where I'm able to give a semi-educated opinion on how the upcoming product might run based off how it's 14nm siblings run, I've made it clear I'm basing my opinion on my experience with the Vega 64. Out of the 5 I've had it's been one AIO which I only had for a few days, a limited edition reference air model that I kept for a month or so, a limited edition Nitro that I also sold after a month or two & 2 Red Devils one of which I only had for about a week and one I sold after roughly 6 months. I've used them in two different cases with the main one being a Corsair C70 mid-tower which with the fans I've added has very good airflow. My Vega 64 Red Devil was my most recent and longest owned model at around 6 months and I was very happy with it, It was a great card that undervolted & overclocked well, however it did get hot & it did need it's massive heatsink to keep it in check, even after setting everything up it could still hit as high as in the 80's under load & I had to give the gpu fans a ceiling speed of 61% to allow it to speed up when needed to keep the card from throttling, this only happened when it spent a long time at full load, ie: when gaming. I had one of the 3x8 pin Nitro Limited edition Vega's as well and it was a similar situation with that one.

In my opinion Vega's a very good choice but they do run hot & they do need good cooling, there's nothing wrong with saying that.

Gerard said:
It has a vapour chamber on it as well, and the heatsink seems to extend out past the fans to the shroud so looks beefy enough. It was noted at ces that some people had the case panel off on the demo system and said the card was barely audible. Just hope that alsop extends to the retail boards.
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What do you mean by Vapour chamber, where?
 
Gerard said:
There's meant to be a vapour chamber between the heatsink and the gpu die which makes for better heat transfer. There was a leaked pic on one of the pages here showing the underside of the heatsink showing it.
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I must have missed it but I can't see there being room for one, that said I don't really know what the definition includes, I'll have a look around for it, cheers.
 
The heat doesn't have to be dissipated in a direction vertically from the top of the CPU, as above it can be taken and spread sideways to achieve a larger surface area, in doing so reducing the vertical height of the card and keeping it to 2 slots.
Keeping it slim does not by default mean it's less efficient.
 
MyBrains said:
I have no clue why you say these things, my Red Dragon 56 is running around 25c idle with 541rpm fan speed, runs at 31-32c with Zero Fan rpm.. at load with GTA V running all Very High settings my 56 doesnt even see temps above the low 60's and all using below 200w. And thats a 1677/950 OC.

If you're just gona go all out raw fps then i guess thats where people are doing it wrong, i use FreeSync with frame limiters or Chill or Vsync running smooth asf to my refresh rate.

Saying stuff like this just doesnt help AMD in the slightest.
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This is so true, my undervolted to .900mV Vega 64 reference runs at ~50-60w below stock and gives higher core and HBM clocks for about 5% extra performance. That would put the GPU at about 230 total power consumption compared to stock 295w. That is with the barely adequate reference cooler.
 
Gerard said:
They can be pretty thin, if you look at a teardown of the 2080 fe cards it's literally a few mm in height.

Good example:

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Wow, That's a pretty neat way to do it, It's the first time I've seen one used like this, This could make a big difference if it works right,

Thinking about it is this how cards like the Asus Poseidon offer the choice of using water cooling or air cooling without any messing around or dismantling?

A quick Google & it looks like it works in the way a Poseidon does when only using the air cooling.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/what-is-inside-the-rog-poseidon-graphics-cards/
 
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ICDP said:
This is so true, my undervolted to .900mV Vega 64 reference runs at ~50-60w below stock and gives higher core and HBM clocks for about 5% extra performance. That would put the GPU at about 230 total power consumption compared to stock 295w. That is with the barely adequate reference cooler.
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Buying a high end graphics card & then limiting it's performance doesn't make sense to me, what's the point? The air-cooled reference Vega's are like hair dryer's, My PC is right next to me so I also want my pc to be as quiet as possible as I don't game with headphones on but even so I still want the best performance I can get out of it which is why it took me so long to get my cards balanced.

So you're able to get yours to run at 900mv in state 7 with an overclock?

Here's how I had mine, I only tweaked state 6 & 7.

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Nvida were launching a replacement for the Geforce 4Ti with their first DX9 card, the FX 5800 Ultra being the top end. However 2 factors happened before launch. ATI had just launched the much better 9700 PRO, which came in fully DX9 compliant with 24bit shader code (the FX had 16 bit, so to be fully compliant had to run in 32bit), and even when running in 16bit shader code was slower. So, Nv, in an attempt to compete gave it a delta fan, a pure copper heatsink with exhaust and stuffed a large amount of volts through it. They also allegedly put of benchmark drivers for `on rails` benchmarks, so it didn't actually render anything that wasn't on the benchmark. Please ignore the music but yes the card is this loud : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvVr1El_q78
 
Gerard said:

That vids actually made by nvidia.
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:D

Harlequin said:
Nvida were launching a replacement for the Geforce 4Ti with their first DX9 card, the FX 5800 Ultra being the top end. However 2 factors happened before launch. ATI had just launched the much better 9700 PRO, which came in fully DX9 compliant with 24bit shader code (the FX had 16 bit, so to be fully compliant had to run in 32bit), and even when running in 16bit shader code was slower. So, Nv, in an attempt to compete gave it a delta fan, a pure copper heatsink with exhaust and stuffed a large amount of volts through it. They also allegedly put of benchmark drivers for `on rails` benchmarks, so it didn't actually render anything that wasn't on the benchmark. Please ignore the music but yes the card is this loud : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvVr1El_q78
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Arrgh :confused: you win :rolleyes:
 
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