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Radeon VII

If I had products to sell, I'd want to make as much money as possible. I wouldn't set them moderate to low as an act of kindness. This is a business for grown up people, it's not like selling football stickers to your friends at school. Forum banter with ocuk staff doesn't entitle you to mates rates.
 
I think the ethics go out of the window when supply and demand takes over :(
If I had products to sell, I'd want to make as much money as possible. I wouldn't set them moderate to low as an act of kindness. This is a business for grown up people, it's not like selling football stickers to your friends at school. Forum banter with ocuk staff doesn't entitle you to mates rates.
I manage a hotel and if I thought like this for squeezing people we would lose custom just for being greedy very quickly, not to mention the reviews we would get, getting repeated custom gets much more money than tapping people
As for supply and demand, demand is high, stock right this second is 0,if you had 2 for sale right now, sure charge a premium until there are stock
 
If I had products to sell, I'd want to make as much money as possible. I wouldn't set them moderate to low as an act of kindness. This is a business for grown up people, it's not like selling football stickers to your friends at school. Forum banter with ocuk staff doesn't entitle you to mates rates.

There is two sides to a coin.

If computer components typically made us say 50% which they absolutely do not, in fact not even remotely close, though some people actually believe there is such margin, there truly is not in components.

However if margins were even just say 20%, let alone 50% then the need to take opportunities to make more profit, or known as gouging here would not be so.

But the simple facts are our average margin, including rebates on graphics cards is typically 8-10% which all our overheads have to come out off and the general cost of running business, plus merchant fees tends to average just under 4% so in the end the margins are quite slim. That is why when opportunities as a business come along to turn say 10% margin into 20% of course we take it, if we did not then our margins could and would slip, all it takes is to lose say 2% overall margin and then we have to look at ways to cut back, maybe job losses or a service component reduced and OcUK's service is exceptional and one of the best if not best out there.

Though we have high margin areas to help boost our overall margins, the simple facts are the majority of OcUK's business is components and when were selling CPU's with 0-5% margin, graphics cards with 4-8% margin typically, then of course when opportunities arise, they are taken to try and keep our business growing or at least stable, of course it will just be put as gouging but the simple facts are that component margin is single digit if you want to remain competitive in this cut throat market so any opportunity to make additional margin or pull more customers from competitors it is taken. Now that latter part could be argued so keep price low so customers don't go elsewhere, but simple facts are at product launch, stock is king, once supply is good then we tend to be very price competitive at which point as so clearly pointed out here people buy when prices are competitive.

Some may complain, or state as gouging but as a business we price based on supply and demand plus in this situation though we know a second wave is incoming, we actually have no idea how many we are gonna sell and we'd typically rather sell less than what we can supply rather than sell thousands which we cannot supply. We won't have any clearer indication on numbers and true volume until after Chinese New Year, as such if your after the best price, simply wait until end of February as in theory the prices should improve then, unless the product becomes like 1080ti where everyone wants it but there is simply not enough stock to go round.

People complained about 1080Ti's going upto 1k and beyond, but again an opportunity arises we take it and look were sold out. But on the flip side we might have stock of say a product like 1070 or 570 and have to sell it at a loss now, so where we lose on one hand, we make back on another.
 
Genuinely excited for this launch and love some new hardware, regardless who makes it. I know those who get one will be over the moon and there is always an early adopter tax and accepted by those that can afford it. Looking forward to seeing some pics, as the card does look good :)
 
If I had products to sell, I'd want to make as much money as possible. I wouldn't set them moderate to low as an act of kindness. This is a business for grown up people, it's not like selling football stickers to your friends at school. Forum banter with ocuk staff doesn't entitle you to mates rates.
There is two sides to a coin.

If computer components typically made us say 50% which they absolutely do not, in fact not even remotely close, those some dumb people actually believe there is such margin, there truly is not.
However if margins were even just say 20%, let alone 50% then the need to take opportunities to make more profit, or known as gouging here would not be so.

But the simple facts are our average margin, including rebates on graphics cards is typically 8-10% which all our overheads have to come out off and the general cost of running business, plus merchant fees tends to average just under 4% so in the end the margins are quite slim. That is why when opportunities as a business come along to turn say 10% margin into 20% of course we take it, if we did not then our margins could and would slip, all it takes is to lose say 2% overall margin and then we have to look at ways to cut back, maybe job losses or a service component reduced.

Though we have high margin areas to help boost our margins, the simple facts are the majority of OcUK's business is components and when were selling CPU's with 0-5% margin, graphics cards with 4-8% margin typically, then of course when opportunities arise, they are taken to try and keep our business growing or at least stable, of course it will just be put as gouging but the simple facts are that component margin is single digit if you want to remain competitive in this cut throat market so any opportunity to make additional margin or pull more customers from competitors it is taken. Now that latter part could be argued so keep price low so customers don't go elsewhere, but simple facts are at product launch, stock is king, once supply is good then we tend to be very price competitive.

Some may complain, or state as gouging but as a business we price based on supply and demand plus in this situation though we know a second wave is incoming, we actually have no idea how many we are gonna sell and we'd typically rather sell less that we can supply rather than sell thousands which we cannot supply. We won't have any clearer indication on numbers and true volume until after Chinese New Year, as such if your after the best price, simply wait until end of February as in theory the prices should improve then, unless the product becomes like 1080ti where everyone wants it but there is simply not enough stock to go round.

People complained about 1080Ti's going upto 1k and beyond, but again an opportunity arises we take it and look were sold out.
Understood just saying having more stock than anyone else means 100 units times 5-8% instead of 10 units x 5-8% profit. So in this scenario surely the sellers with 10 units will sell these cards at 1000??
 
Understood just saying having more stock than anyone else means 100 units times 5-8% instead of 10 units x 5-8% profit. So in this scenario surely the sellers with 10 units will sell these cards at 1000??

Their decision, we will sell all our stock whether its £600 or £800, thats another 20k profit. We won't be selling them all at £800 by the way, its an example.
On the flip side we will have products, for example the Asus 580's and 570's, even though Asus have helped, were still selling at considerable losses to clear it.

As such as a business we have products selling at losses, products with stable profits and at times opportunities to make more, in the end its all a balancing act, but as with all things, no one ever says thank you when they maybe got an incredible deal or purchased one of those loss making items (not that they would know) but of course when they feel were gouging, all hell breaks lose.

Were a business, not a charity, I try to keep the workings of business as clear as possible, if I had an average of 25% margin on graphics and that was the normal, then we'd not seek opportunities to make more, but simple fact is we don't. Another example, some of the 2080Ti's we make only £30 on, after card fees, logistics, we've actually lost money, but we wanted to be sub £1000, on the flip side we have Asus Strix cards in stock that makes us a lot more money, but in the end its all a balancing act, if we did not make the extra but continued being so aggressive or having loss making products, margins would slip, if we just kept margins stable and tried not to be crazy cheap at times or take margin opportunities business would collapse.

In the end its a balance, we will have a cards online tomorrow at £650, they will sell quick, we will have cards online at £800, they will sell slower but sell out.
 
i'll be missing release day but I prob pick one up in a couple weeks. I would like to spend like than £600 tbh
£500 would be ideal but I expect to be waiting a while.


You will never get one at £500, I suspect the whole production is indeed limited if what AMD say is true and board partners won't be making custom versions, there is actually more a chance of them becoming even more expensive something which has happened frequently on past launches, if demand is crazy and stock slim they could just as easily end up at £899 each.
 
Do you think this card will affect the 2080s price ? surely nvidia will have to drop the price if it does indeed compete with it.

No because I can see these ending up more expensive, the UK's needs thousands, can't see it happening, hope I am wrong, but I think this product will be very short.
 
I’ve mailed both the US and UK AMD guys to try and get some clarity on future supply.

If supply is good we will price aggressively so let’s hope it is. :)

For now goodnight! :)
 
@Gibbo I cant see Vega VII affecting 2080 pricing at all with that sort of Amount. Maybe AMD is trying to see if people will want to even buy them cards at that price before going balls deep in to production.
Depends how good those cards actually are vs 2080 with Freesync ace AMD card gone.
Depends if one wants RTX or extra 8GB HBM2 atm both for gamer are around same value
Well for mining vega will be better but not like its profitable anymore.
 
It says not confirmed in big letters
hese benchmarks come from an Argentinian media outlet, hd-tecnologia. The post isn’t exactly a review, but a comparison of how the Radeon Vega VII holds up against its closest competitor, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080.
Even if they had 15 pages Review they would still say not confirmed.... I Think it can be
 

Would tie in with what was stated by amd, they win some they lose some.


They're not great results though, At 1440p the 2080 wins 15 out of 20 & at 4k it's 12 out of 20.

I'm hoping we have as much tweaking room as with the Vega 64. Once I find the sweet spot I bet it'll be a great 1440 UW card.
Used to love that show, and Universe was getting pretty awesome when they canned it :(

Same here, I was really disappointed about Universe but apparently it didn't sit well with the younger generation which was a shame as the story had potential and legs. A Galaxy a season and the right writers could have done it proud
 
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