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Radeon VII

nashathedog said:
They're not great results though, At 1440p the 2080 wins 15 out of 20 & at 4k it's 12 out of 20.
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They're basically the same at this point. Its more about which one will age better/have better resale value when its time to upgrade.

The Radeon 7 may improve with future drivers if it really is such a rushed product but I think the 16gb of HBM2 will benefit it in the long run.

The 2080 has DLSS in its favour, but even with that you only stand to benefit if it is implemented in the games you play.
 
Illuminist said:
I manage a hotel and if I thought like this for squeezing people we would lose custom just for being greedy very quickly, not to mention the reviews we would get, getting repeated custom gets much more money than tapping people
As for supply and demand, demand is high, stock right this second is 0,if you had 2 for sale right now, sure charge a premium until there are stock
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Managing a hotel on a normal day to day business is completely different.

This very limited supply of graphics cards is comparable however, to managing a hotel during the London 2012 Olympics when supply and demand took over and we saw hotel prices double or triple.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
Managing a hotel on a normal day to day business is completely different.

This very limited supply of graphics cards is comparable however, to managing a hotel during the London 2012 Olympics when supply and demand took over and we saw hotel prices double or triple.
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If you want to use that extreme example, you are going to be the last hotel people book, they will go for the cheapest first and you will be sat there with empty rooms until the last minute having to reduce your prices in a panic.
As I have been through that scenario many many times in the last 3 years, my point still remains its better to get all your rooms sold with a small bump then to rinse people and sell 50%
 
Vish Petrol said:
They're basically the same at this point. Its more about which one will age better/have better resale value when its time to upgrade.

The Radeon 7 may improve with future drivers if it really is such a rushed product but I think the 16gb of HBM2 will benefit it in the long run.

The 2080 has DLSS in its favour, but even with that you only stand to benefit if it is implemented in the games you play.
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Limited use of the RTX techs will be an issue for years to come as Nvidia will have to push or pay for it's use in the PC versions of games, Once AMD get it into consoles or Nvidia get a console contract and include raytracing which isn't gonna happen anytime soon, it will pick up but for now mainstream raytracing is is still a decade away so yes that's a big part of why I haven't gone with a 2080 yet & why I would prefer to go with a VII. But if I miss out on a VII I've got my eye on a deal elsewhere where I can get a Zotac 2080 AMP at a good price & I like the idea of having a long warranty as I want to make what I get today last me as long as possible as I won't be able to upgrade my gpu again anytime soon.
 
nashathedog said:
Limited use of the RTX techs will be an issue for years to come as Nvidia will have to push or pay for it's use in the PC versions of games, Once AMD get it into consoles or Nvidia get a console contract and include raytracing which isn't gonna happen anytime soon, it will pick up but for now mainstream raytracing is is still a decade away so yes that's a big part of why I haven't gone with a 2080 yet & why I would prefer to go with a VII. But if I miss out on a VII I've got my eye on a deal elsewhere where I can get a Zotac 2080 AMP at a good price & I like the idea of having a long warranty as I want to make what I get today last me as long as possible as I won't be able to upgrade my gpu again anytime soon.
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I agree. I also think DLSS has far more short term potential than RTX. RTX is a gimmick at best but DLSS can make significant improvements to fps.
 
Brazo said:
I agree. I also think DLSS has far more short term potential than RTX. RTX is a gimmick at best but DLSS can make significant improvements to fps.
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What they really need to do with DLSS is make it more like FXAA in that it can be slapped over the top of almost anything as well as developers can implement it in a more controlled fashion for better results and make use of the AI features to substitute MSAA rather than upscaling which is AFAIK perfectly possible to do with AI image analysis - so you'd effectively get most of the performance gains of not having AA in use while having a decent level of AA.
 
why is it tech companies love luanhcing products, with limited numbers around Chine new year, specially when production and logistics shuts down for a good week to two haha.

finally a good time in tech with software and hardware getting a push. Looking forward to seeing how AMD runs on DX12 updates with AI/Ray tracing in the near future .

just a shame prices going up and up
 
Without wanting to make a statement lacking in scientific fact, I will propose that every AMD card I can remember has improved significantly in performance over its lifespan, whilst most nVidia cards, particularly at the high end, get forgotten about and tail off in comparison. AMD seek to improve their older cards whilst nVidia aim to make theirs obsolete once they have a new product line.

If the future reflects the past, the Radeon 7 will be competitive with the 2080ti in most games in about 12 months from now.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
200 units allocated for a population of 70 million here is the UK, it's insulting, now people get ripped of due to no supply as always with any new AMD launch. People will just go buy a 2080 instead, bravo AMD, for the gamers my ass.
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Since when did the entire population of the UK own a gaming PC. And all high end enthusiasts at that. The percentage of those in the market for a GPU like this would be very small.
 
Brazo said:
I agree. I also think DLSS has far more short term potential than RTX. RTX is a gimmick at best but DLSS can make significant improvements to fps.
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I don't think ray-tracing's a gimmick it's more that it's come to market too early especially for it too be adding a premium.

Rroff said:
What they really need to do with DLSS is make it more like FXAA in that it can be slapped over the top of almost anything as well as developers can implement it in a more controlled fashion for better results and make use of the AI features to substitute MSAA rather than upscaling which is AFAIK perfectly possible to do with AI image analysis - so you'd effectively get most of the performance gains of not having AA in use while having a decent level of AA.
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I haven't tried it personally or even know how it's turned on but if it's possible to make it so DLSS is just another main menu option than requires minimal work by game developers great.

orbitalwalsh said:
why is it tech companies love luanhcing products, with limited numbers around Chine new year, specially when production and logistics shuts down for a good week to two haha.

finally a good time in tech with software and hardware getting a push. Looking forward to seeing how AMD runs on DX12 updates with AI/Ray tracing in the near future .

just a shame prices going up and up
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It shows how they've taken advantage of PC gamings increasing popularity to maximise profits, That's why I don't understand why people go off on one trying to defend one brand or the other, They all do it.
 
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Gibbo said:
Their decision, we will sell all our stock whether its £600 or £800, thats another 20k profit. We won't be selling them all at £800 by the way, its an example.
On the flip side we will have products, for example the Asus 580's and 570's, even though Asus have helped, were still selling at considerable losses to clear it.

As such as a business we have products selling at losses, products with stable profits and at times opportunities to make more, in the end its all a balancing act, but as with all things, no one ever says thank you when they maybe got an incredible deal or purchased one of those loss making items (not that they would know) but of course when they feel were gouging, all hell breaks lose.

Were a business, not a charity, I try to keep the workings of business as clear as possible, if I had an average of 25% margin on graphics and that was the normal, then we'd not seek opportunities to make more, but simple fact is we don't. Another example, some of the 2080Ti's we make only £30 on, after card fees, logistics, we've actually lost money, but we wanted to be sub £1000, on the flip side we have Asus Strix cards in stock that makes us a lot more money, but in the end its all a balancing act, if we did not make the extra but continued being so aggressive or having loss making products, margins would slip, if we just kept margins stable and tried not to be crazy cheap at times or take margin opportunities business would collapse.

In the end its a balance, we will have a cards online tomorrow at £650, they will sell quick, we will have cards online at £800, they will sell slower but sell out.
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Your honesty is refreshing. If anyone thinks that is not how business operates they are extremely naive.
 
Hi there

OK I was speaking with AMD in the early hours, they have made me a promise, sell at MSRP, sell 2000 cards and they will deliver 2000 cards, you heard it hear, so cards like Powercolor and Sapphire shall be at MSRP simply because those brands are direct AMD partner brands, thus far safer to sell volume, the other brands are a big unknown for us as such those prices shall be high.
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

OK I was speaking with AMD in the early hours, they have made me a promise, sell at MSRP, sell 2000 cards and they will deliver 2000 cards, you heard it hear, so cards like Powercolor and Sapphire shall be at MSRP simply because those brands are direct AMD partner brands, thus far safer to sell volume, the other brands are a big unknown for us as such those prices shall be high.
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Gibbo is this for the next batch ? Is it still eta end of feb ?
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

OK I was speaking with AMD in the early hours, they have made me a promise, sell at MSRP, sell 2000 cards and they will deliver 2000 cards, you heard it hear, so cards like Powercolor and Sapphire shall be at MSRP simply because those brands are direct AMD partner brands, thus far safer to sell volume, the other brands are a big unknown for us as such those prices shall be high.
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Bravo, AMD supporters are not been ripped off for once.
 
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