Rainbow Six Vegas 2

Shamikebab said:
Im unsure about this to be honest, seems very quick to me. Im suspecting another COD3.
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I see what you're trying to put across, but COD3 was handled by completely different people. As soon as COD2 was finished Infinity Ward started working on COD4, so technically COD2 sequel was about 2 years later.
 
BlairH said:
I'm not comfortable with the direction R6 has been heading. Back in the day, it was a realistic, tactical shooter with complex planning and squad elements. Now it's just another shooter. Obviously the original wasn't for everyone, but for it to turn into a fairly decent generic shooter (especially when the market is saturated with generic shooters) was something that was lamented by many gamers.

Case in point: Realism used to be a bastion of the R6 games, but the new trailer shows a 3 man team storming a fairly large theater, Gears of War style. One man is armed with an M249 SAW belt-fed light machine gun, (a poor choice for the mission profile) and he starts shooting up the place like he's some kind of Rambomatic killing machine rather than a highly trained special forces operative. The enemy combatants appear to use some form of Hollywood-esque laser sighting system on their firearms.

To add insult to injury, in the first trailer for the previous game, the squad's "sniper" looks as though he's never fired a rifle. He lowers his head (after stretching his neck) so that he can look through the scope, rather than simply raising the rifle into the proper position.

The same goes for Ghost Recon.

Guys, it sounds as if I'm picking nits, but the R6 games used to be extremely realistic. Obviously the developers made these decisions to pander to the arcade crowd. Don't get me wrong, I love Gears of War as much as the next person, but I feel that there are enough of these shooters on the market, and that the next R6 game should take a more realistic bent.
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Yea i remember the old days of rainbow from the very first to raven shield, the first one was great!

I paid most attention to rogue spear, you had a huge selection of weapons and equipment to pick from, you could create 4 tactical teams with 4 members in each, you could select their weapons, camo, armour and equipment. you could even select gun attachments i think you could in rogue spear but i know you can in raven shield.

Anyway so i stopped playing rainbow for a while after that until the xbox recieved ravenshield, i was so excited to see it back and it came back in all glory for what it was known for, first thing i noticed was the content, no where near the same as the pc version, sure you had your guns and equipment but no armour, camo and team mates to pick from.

you could not plan your assault and switch to any of the 16 team mates. One thing i like was the fact you had classes demo, assault recon etc... each rainbow member had stats when a guy was killed in action they were taken off the team roster so you had the whole team manager thing going on who to play in certain games, have a good mix of skills.

However ravenshield was the first game i played online and wow i am still happy to this day with what they did with the game even thou it cut a lot of the content on the console.

so then we had that rainbow after which was like a add on which again was cool but then we had the rainbow which no one liked cant even remember the name coz it was so crap, really shamed the rainbow games.

so on to vegas! i liked traveling to different locations, from the desert to the jungle to a city appartment! why vegas! same old stuff all the time. yes the idea of being able to repel down buildings was sweet but the gameplay was not so tactical, its too fast paced, the health system should be like the original, like seriously who recovers from a gun shot in a few seconds lol. The whole realism was taken out of the game. grenades felt weak, the guns were weak, people prefered using small automatic weapons instead of your assault rifles.

main thing i hated was the co-op the whole respawning of AI, everyone knew where they were coming from, ok so i step here and 3..2..1 oh look exactly where i knew they were going to come from, graphics were terrible and i wished all AI were placed on the map randomly each time, the whole reactions of the AI were bad, they knew exactly where you were.

huge rant but hey this game should go back to its roots, people want a fps which is different sometimes
 
I've just ordered number 1 for PS3 as it seems to be on par with the 360 version. Hopefully this 2nd one will behave well on PS3, too.
 
Looks pretty good but quite same-y. The SP ending of the first game was disappointing IMO, so hopefully the sequels campaign can finish with a greater level of suspense.
 
Agent0range said:
Looks pretty good but quite same-y. The SP ending of the first game was disappointing IMO, so hopefully the sequels campaign can finish with a greater level of suspense.
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The sequel isn't set to continue the story, its set to show whats happening while R1 is happening. No doubt the 3rd will finish the story.

Of course it's samey, they had a winning formula, it was still one of the most played live games in 07. They will be very carefull not to mess with that. Especially the online community.

They could have tried to revolutionise it but likely would've done more to upset people.

Just the same as I dont expect gears 2 to be much different to the 1st. They wont try a whole redesign on the same system with a popular format.

If it aint broke etc etc
 
I don't really care if its samey, the first rocked, all they need to do is polish it up a little, stick in some more maps and i'm good to go :D
 
Mattitude said:
Yea i remember the old days of rainbow from the very first to raven shield, the first one was great!

I paid most attention to rogue spear, you had a huge selection of weapons and equipment to pick from, you could create 4 tactical teams with 4 members in each, you could select their weapons, camo, armour and equipment. you could even select gun attachments i think you could in rogue spear but i know you can in raven shield.

Anyway so i stopped playing rainbow for a while after that until the xbox recieved ravenshield, i was so excited to see it back and it came back in all glory for what it was known for, first thing i noticed was the content, no where near the same as the pc version, sure you had your guns and equipment but no armour, camo and team mates to pick from.

you could not plan your assault and switch to any of the 16 team mates. One thing i like was the fact you had classes demo, assault recon etc... each rainbow member had stats when a guy was killed in action they were taken off the team roster so you had the whole team manager thing going on who to play in certain games, have a good mix of skills.

However ravenshield was the first game i played online and wow i am still happy to this day with what they did with the game even thou it cut a lot of the content on the console.

so then we had that rainbow after which was like a add on which again was cool but then we had the rainbow which no one liked cant even remember the name coz it was so crap, really shamed the rainbow games.

so on to vegas! i liked traveling to different locations, from the desert to the jungle to a city appartment! why vegas! same old stuff all the time. yes the idea of being able to repel down buildings was sweet but the gameplay was not so tactical, its too fast paced, the health system should be like the original, like seriously who recovers from a gun shot in a few seconds lol. The whole realism was taken out of the game. grenades felt weak, the guns were weak, people prefered using small automatic weapons instead of your assault rifles.

main thing i hated was the co-op the whole respawning of AI, everyone knew where they were coming from, ok so i step here and 3..2..1 oh look exactly where i knew they were going to come from, graphics were terrible and i wished all AI were placed on the map randomly each time, the whole reactions of the AI were bad, they knew exactly where you were.

huge rant but hey this game should go back to its roots, people want a fps which is different sometimes
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You know what I hated about Vegas? Blind firing. Seriously, no elite spec-ops force in the world would consider using un-aimed fire. Especially a hostage rescue force like Rainbow. The next Rainbow game will probably have the protagonists aim their pistols sideways "gangsta' style" (don't believe me? Check out the box-art for Deus Ex: Invisible War to see how great games can be thematically ruined!)
 
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BlairH said:
You know what I hated about Vegas? Blind firing. Seriously, no elite spec-ops force in the world would consider using un-aimed fire. Especially a hostage rescue force like Rainbow. The next Rainbow game will probably have the protagonists aim their pistols sideways "gangsta' style" (don't believe me? Check out the box-art for Deus Ex: Invisible War to see how great games can be thematically ruined!)
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I know what you mean, loads of times you see ludicrous usage of weapons.. and I'm torn on whether they should keep the realism or improve gameplay by having some artistic licence.. the problem is, I suppose, that some people like the 'realism' where as some people don't care and want blind fire and run and gun with huge machine guns..
 
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