ramthor's monster build

EVH said:
Worth pointing out that the PSU is most efficient at 50% load.

Given that a typical high end rig uses about 300-400W under load, I'd say 850 to 1000W is fine. If you want to get the 1200W then it's your choice.

Lose the large SSD if all you want it for is OS. A 256GB or even a 128GB would be ample. Would also give you more cash for SSD RAID0 and you could potentially dump the 6TB mechanical drive. Depends how much space you "need".
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raid 0 for ssd's is practically useless apart from synthetic benchmarks or stupidly large sequencial read or writes

plus i'm pretty sure the OS will be going on the m.2 drive he specced in.

is anyone actually paying attention to whats hes saying
 
if you wanted 1200w i'd look at the evga P2 1200 watt i have the 1000w version

plenty of aftermarket cables available for it from cablemod and bitfenix comes with a 10 year warranty and has a switchable fan profile~(eco mode) for silence, it's basically a superflower without the silly LED lights.

Plus corsairs link software is a bit buggy and can/is known to cause issues with idle clock behaviour in some sytems
 
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bigjimmyauk said:
raid 0 for ssd's is practically useless apart from synthetic benchmarks or stupidly large sequencial read or writes

plus i'm pretty sure the OS will be going on the m.2 drive he specced in.

is anyone actually paying attention to whats hes saying
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:confused: yes and my point is he's spec'd a 512GB m.2 drive for an OS? Why not slim that down and have 2 larger SSDs for storage instead of the mechanical. RAID 0 was an example but equally he could have RAID 5 if he's going for video editing.
 
EVH said:
:confused: yes and my point is he's spec'd a 512GB m.2 drive for an OS? Why not slim that down and have 2 larger SSDs for storage instead of the mechanical. RAID 0 was an example but equally he could have RAID 5 if he's going for video editing.
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because if he's working with large 4k files editing then the natural choice would be to use the m.2 as the buffer before shunting to storage. would increase workflow efficiency. even if it is only a hobby. Besides 256gb is not a large amount these days and once he sees the speed the m.2 offers he's more likely to put other stuff onto the OS drive, just like i did when i had a 250gb ssd and all my games on a mech drive i started putting more and more onto the sdd until i eventually filled it and had to buy another ssd, So why not buy what you can afford now rather than have to splurge more later.

just like if i had the cash now i'd buy a m.2 for my OS and a 1tb/2tb for my games and keep my 1tb mech for storage only makes more sense to do it now rather than later
 
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EVH said:
Worth pointing out that the PSU is most efficient at 50% load.

Given that a typical high end rig uses about 300-400W under load, I'd say 850 to 1000W is fine. If you want to get the 1200W then it's your choice.
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I'd rather lose £20 now than to have to buy a new PSU when/if I decide to go SLI in the future. Also keep in mind I will overclock this bad boy so I need plenty of juice.
Lose the large SSD if all you want it for is OS. A 256GB or even a 128GB would be ample. Would also give you more cash for SSD RAID0 and you could potentially dump the 6TB mechanical drive. Depends how much space you "need".
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As I stated above the m.2 drive is for OS and game installs because I need speed for both my OS and when I load games.
Second SSD is for non-game installs and frequently accessed storage.
HDD is for less frequently accessed storage.
HoneyBadger said:
Wow, can't believe the reception this guy has received. Isn't this forum moderated?

Talk about jealous people.
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I was thinking the same thing.
bigjimmyauk said:
if you wanted 1200w i'd look at the evga P2 1200 watt i have the 1000w version

plenty of aftermarket cables available for it from cablemod and bitfenix comes with a 10 year warranty and has a switchable fan profile~(eco mode) for silence, it's basically a superflower without the silly LED lights.

Plus corsairs link software is a bit buggy and can/is known to cause issues with idle clock behaviour in some sytems
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Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

bigjimmyauk said:
because if he's working with large 4k files editing then the natural choice would be to use the m.2 as the buffer before shunting to storage. would increase workflow efficiency. even if it is only a hobby. Besides 256gb is not a large amount these days and once he sees the speed the m.2 offers he's more likely to put other stuff onto the OS drive, just like i did when i had a 250gb ssd and all my games on a mech drive i started putting more and more onto the sdd until i eventually filled it and had to buy another ssd, So why not buy what you can afford now rather than have to splurge more later.
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Exactly. You can't just add another m.2 drive if you need it sometime in the future so you have to go with the biggest you can afford from the get go.
 
Are you in a huge rush to build this pc ? I would be inclined to wait for the 1080 ti rather than go with a Pascal Titan X.

Other than that I would do something like this.

A bit less storage, but extra SSD/HDD can always be added as you need them.

The XFX XTS is priced pretty well for a 1KW unit. You shouldn't need 1200W even with overclocking.

No need for the 6850K over the 5820K or 6800K. You can still do SLI and run an M.2 SSD.

The GTX 1080 will run the 1440p Widescreen monitor just fine if you don't want to wait for the ti version. The Pascal Titan X and 1080 ti would be better for 4K to be honest.



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Id go for the Sm961 over the 950 as it's newer, faster and you can go up to 1tb if needs be.

Downside would be you couldn't use samsung magician with it though.
 
How much video editing and processing are you going to be doing? Because if the answer is 'lots' then you may be better off getting a many-cored Xeon CPU and much more RAM. (But you can forget about overclocking.)
 
so he's gone from a 40 lane CPU back to a 28 lane CPU

he mentioned in the OP possible sli titan so would be pointless to go with a 5820k as he'll be using 24 lanes on gpu's alone the m.2 will use another 4 then boom all 28 lanes used.

Plus having a 28 lane cpu on most mobos dictates what slot you have to put the gpu in.

like my x99 deluxe
with 28 lane cpu it's slot 1,3 and 4 for x16
with 40 lane cpu it's slot 1,3,4,5,6 for x16

Sticking a titan x will give you some awful return in the x8 slot, tried this with my 980ti and lost over 3000 points on 3d mark.

Op stick with the 40 lance CPU if your thinking about sli further down the line
 
pandem0nium said:
Id go for the Sm961 over the 950 as it's newer, faster and you can go up to 1tb if needs be.

Downside would be you couldn't use samsung magician with it though.
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SM961 has faster reads but not faster writes iirc writes are about 900mb slowers but it does have about an extra 60 thousand iops

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off the oc site
950 pro
MZVKV512 - 512GB Samsung SM950
M.2 (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) NVMe SSD
MLC NAND
Read 2150MB/s
Write 1550MB/s
300k/100k IOPS

sm961
MZVPW128HEGL-00000
128GB Samsung SM961
M.2 (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) NVMe SSD
MLC NAND
Read 3100MB/s
Write 700MB/s
330k/170k IOPS
 
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bigjimmyauk said:
SM961 has faster reads but not faster writes iirc writes are about 900mb slowers but it does have about an extra 60 thousand iops

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off the oc site
950 pro
MZVKV512 - 512GB Samsung SM950
M.2 (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) NVMe SSD
MLC NAND
Read 2150MB/s
Write 1550MB/s
300k/100k IOPS

sm961
MZVPW128HEGL-00000
128GB Samsung SM961
M.2 (22x80) PCIe 3.0 (x4) NVMe SSD
MLC NAND
Read 3100MB/s
Write 700MB/s
330k/170k IOPS
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You've mixed capacities there pal, smaller drives always have compromised performance.
 
bigjimmyauk said:
so he's gone from a 40 lane CPU back to a 28 lane CPU

he mentioned in the OP possible sli titan so would be pointless to go with a 5820k as he'll be using 24 lanes on gpu's alone the m.2 will use another 4 then boom all 28 lanes used.

Plus having a 28 lane cpu on most mobos dictates what slot you have to put the gpu in.

like my x99 deluxe
with 28 lane cpu it's slot 1,3 and 4 for x16
with 40 lane cpu it's slot 1,3,4,5,6 for x16

Sticking a titan x will give you some awful return in the x8 slot, tried this with my 980ti and lost over 3000 points on 3d mark.

Op stick with the 40 lance CPU if your thinking about sli further down the line
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The Gigabyte board uses Slot 1 and Slot 3 for SLI. Not sure why you think that would be an issue.

You can do 3 way SLI with the 5820K and still have an M.2 SSD.

Also the difference between x8 and x16 for gaming is extremely small.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2488-pci-e-3-x8-vs-x16-performance-impact-on-gpus
 
Thank you so much for the effort you put into compiling that list. It is appreciated.
lee32uk said:
Are you in a huge rush to build this pc ? I would be inclined to wait for the 1080 ti rather than go with a Pascal Titan X.
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I would also be inclined. Believe me I never thought I would even consider buying a £1,100 GPU. But the reality is here to hit us in the face. nVidia has all the high end market and they can do whatever the hell they want with the prices they're asking.
Now the reality is AMD isn't coming with something competitive until later next year. The price for a decent 1080 is around £750-800. Titan X is £1,100. I can only guess the 1080Ti will be somewhere around £1000.
Is it worth waiting for £200? Maybe yes, but on the other hand the pound gets weaker by the day and all the other prices will go up. Vive already had a price increase just recently. So I'm more inclined to say waiting will not save me too much money.

The XFX XTS is priced pretty well for a 1KW unit. You shouldn't need 1200W even with overclocking.
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I'll look into it.

No need for the 6850K over the 5820K or 6800K. You can still do SLI and run an M.2 SSD.
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I've given a lot of thought deciding between Haswell and Broadwell. They are similar but not quite. One is 2014 tech the other 2016. 22 nm vs 14 nm. I'm not a techie, I have different background and I can't really understand all the technobabble, but from what I read it is better to go with the Broadwell.
Here is one of the articles I read.

The GTX 1080 will run the 1440p Widescreen monitor just fine if you don't want to wait for the ti version. The Pascal Titan X and 1080 ti would be better for 4K to be honest.
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This I also researched extensively and found out 980Ti SLI would be the sweet spot for this monitor. That was before 1080 was launched. Since 980Ti SLI is better then 1080 I expect 1080 to be less than ideal.
On top of that I just found a reply on this forum from a Titan X (old ver) and PG348Q owner. You can find it here, post #156.
 
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EVH said:
Worth pointing out that the PSU is most efficient at 50% load.

Given that a typical high end rig uses about 300-400W under load, I'd say 850 to 1000W is fine. If you want to get the 1200W then it's your choice.

Lose the large SSD if all you want it for is OS. A 256GB or even a 128GB would be ample. Would also give you more cash for SSD RAID0 and you could potentially dump the 6TB mechanical drive. Depends how much space you "need".
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With two Titan-PX though that bumps to 600-700W under load - so the 1200W makes sense in my opinion.

Although I have a 1000W... but I chose that one because it was about £70 cheaper than the cheapest 1200W and it was a good Corsair unit (it was on special offer at the time).

As for HDD... it's need vs want.

My new build is going to have 7x SSDs in it + 1x mechanical drive.

I could be more sensible with the SSD/mech ratio... I just don't want to be and already have 6 of the SSDs.

So it's going to have 1x 1.2TB Intel 750 PCIE... for the OS. I wanted the 1.2TB drive for the improved IOPs, rather than the full storage space.

I already have the 400GB Intel 750 and really like it - it's better than other NVMe drives on the market in my opinion as I've tried the Samsung 950 and SM951 and find the 750 feels faster, it seems like the latency is marginally better. I find computers still work slowly for me, so every bit of speed bump is good for me.

The others are 512GB SM951 in the m.2 slot (i already have it and it's not worth much on the 2nd hand market - so i might as well leave it in there)... then I'm buying a 2TB Samsung Evo and already have 2x Intel 730 512GB drives and 2x Sandisk 1TB drives.

None of them will be going in raid though... I've done that before and don't find any real world benefit other than rare large file transfers between SSDs. Game load times are indistinguishable even though there may be a couple of seconds in it. Those transfers tend to be between the PC and NAS/server - so I'm limited to the network speed instead of hdd speed.

I'm thinking about sticking a sandisk or the two intel 730s in my home server for VM storage... but otherwise I have them and don't feel like selling them - so might as well use them.

The other drive on its way is an 8TB WD Red... because it's nice to have the local large storage when you want it, rather than transferring everything over a network. Also this case has the space for it without having to use any front drive caddies as the hdd mounts on the back side of the motherboard tray.

The only reason I'm thinking about relocating an SSD or two is because the case has only space to mount 5 SSDs without adding accesories to the main section or modding the back-plate, which I would prefer not to do.

Certainly depends for the OP... but if he has the *want* for the large mechanical storage space instead of the need... I don't see a problem with it.
 
Bw-e will be able to handle the specced 3200 ram, its the max you can go to without affecting the overclock.

I don't know the max for hw-e, but I imagine it has a worse Imc.
 
For the OP... if you're dead-set on spending that amount of money on a system, I would change the spec to this:

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I have changed the motherboard because it's unlikely you will see the benefit of the Asus Rampage Edition 10 and the MSI is very good, plus it also has a similar RGB LED lighting scheme for nearly half the price.

I also changed the SSDs... got rid of the Samsung 2TB and replaced it with 4x 1TB Kingston drives... that way for the same money you can have 4TB SSD storage instead of 2TB
 
pandem0nium said:
Bw-e will be able to handle the specced 3200 ram, its the max you can go to without affecting the overclock.

I don't know the max for hw-e, but I imagine it has a worse Imc.
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You think I might be able to increase the CPU clock speed by dropping my RAM to 3200? I have it running at 3400 the moment but haven't tried to up the CPU clock by dropping the memory down a bit.

3600 won't boot... so the limit of the IMC appears to be around 3400 ish.
 
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