random Question, Linxu VS SBS2003/8

BillytheImpaler said:
Boss: I want this lengthy list of Windows Server-only features so that all of my Windows-only clients can connect to those Windows-only services and make use of them using Windows-only applications, but I do not want to pay for Windows Server. Make it happen!

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or pay much for the hardware
or your time
 
nm, somtimes you just have to turn off virtualisation in virtual servers :p

gah now it sits at starting network connections...

fiddle fiddle fiddle
 
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The trouble I've always had with Linux is the counter intitive command line interface, yes it's very powerful and quick when you know what your doing but it can cause hours of delays doing the simple things when you first start out. For all the bad press MS gets SMB is a fantastically easy product to get up and running an can be easily managed by less technical/experienced people it also has group policy etc which is fantastic for simple control of the end user experience. Don't get me wrong I worked with Linux loads in a company that ran some dedicated web based apps and it was fantastic it's just not easy to pick up and play especially if you come from a windows background which pretty much everyone does as the PC's in schools and colleges are almost exclusively windows.
 
VeNT, unless you work for a company where you have the luxury of sitting on your ass all day doing nothing, tell them to get SBS and stop messing about. The boss quibbling over a few quid is just gonna make your life more difficult over the life of the product; that's something you could probably do without especially when you've got external customers to deal with!
 
just wish he would listen
or rather I wish he wouldn't have his mind changed by his wife
tbh I am thinking of moving job so I don't have to deal with them anymore as I'm not looking forward to picking up the pieces after it all goes wrong
 
I think the additional effort setting up a linux based system is a far better solution than spending out on SBS.

Say you spend two days setting this up, unless you're extremely over-paid, it'll be much cheaper than SBS, and leaves you to spend your budget on other, more important (or just, more exciting) things. Your own time isn't counted from your budget, is it?

Add in that it's a great learning experience, a great opportunity to extend your CV, and your boss/accounts dept. will love you for saving money.

LDAP can substitute AD quite comfortably, as mentioned, Zimbra works well in the place of Exchange. I'm sure there are plenty of documents around the internet detailing methods to replace a windows AD network with a Linux based server, which can help you no end, also.
 
ok, I have looked into linux based solutions for both my employer and our clients, however I haven't yet found a better solution then SBS.

Realistically if you want something to work and work with ease, SBS fits the bill

If your doing the linux route, then from a support point of view, especially if you left, you would want Red Hat installed or maybe Cent OS, now Zimbra looks great, however to get the functionality of Exchange server, you will need to purchase their professional edition, which is a per user per year subscription, so in the long run you are paying more.

As SBS comes with 5 CALS, a 10 user pack is about £285 + VAT which isnt a massive amount and then it's just down to server hardware and your time to add the PCs to the domain, if you already have office, then you have seemless integration with Exchange and happy users and not to mention a gui based backup system that just about anyone can use.

My 2p
 
But presumably, that per user, per year licence includes updates?

I imagine SBS has a life, of what, maybe 3 years?

Zimbra costs $35 (~£17.50) per user, per year. Even over 5 years, that's £437..

SBS costs nearly £1000 for 5 CALs, and a new version, almost certainly, will be out by the end of 2010.
 
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£437 per year for licensing as it's sold in blocks of 25 and SBS 2003 R2 OEM (which to be honest you would get it with your hardware) cost's £240 + VAT plus another £430 + VAT and thats 15 users covered.

SBS has a life as long as you want it to be, we have clients still running SBS 2000 and SBS 2008 is a whole new beast, different licensing model and will more than likely be around end of this year beginning of next and 64bit only.
 
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2008 is nov this year
iirc CALs arn't yearly subs are they?
my time is included in any costings and theres no IT budget per-say mainly because the boss doesn't want to spend anything
 
VeNT said:
2008 is nov this year
iirc CALs arn't yearly subs are they?
my time is included in any costings and theres no IT budget per-say mainly because the boss doesn't want to spend anything
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CALS are are a one off payment to purchase.

The only yearly cost is the support contract with the people you purchase from, unless you pay into this software assurance which probably not worthit at this level.
 
cool
anyone know if there is any free IM type thing for server 2003/2008, I've looked at office comm but its way too £££ seeing as you can get windows live messenger etc free
 
spark seems to work well, anyone know how to stop people making new users from the client? I've set everyone up an account but some people keep making new ones
 
VeNT said:
spark seems to work well, anyone know how to stop people making new users from the client? I've set everyone up an account but some people keep making new ones
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I'm pretty sure you can do it, but I havn't done anything with openfire for about a year.

Did find this in their forums.

How can users remotely create my accounts.

The xmpp clients should be able to create accounts, unless you did not disable in-band account creation on page http://server:9090/reg-settings.jsp
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Sounds like it's what you're looking for.
 
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