RC Helicopters

arknor · 6 Jan 2012 at 14:19

SimonCHere said:
Ohh I like the look of that v120d02s
wonder where I can get it without the transmitter.

any of the honkong/american etailers.

uk sucks....

Building Candy · 6 Jan 2012 at 14:43

SimonCHere said:
Ohh I like the look of that v120d02s
wonder where I can get it without the transmitter.

http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/sub-micro-rc-helicopters.asp

good selection here, a lof of the buzzfly own models are walkera helis rebranded, the 3ds is a 4g6. I get a lot of my spares from them.

arknor · 6 Jan 2012 at 15:09

Building Candy said:
http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/sub-micro-rc-helicopters.asp

good selection here, a lof of the buzzfly own models are walkera helis rebranded, the 3ds is a 4g6. I get a lot of my spares from them.

non of them are the v120d02S though which is a massive step forward for small models.
i emailed buzzfly earlier asking if they would be stocking the v120d02s in the near future and the very short reply i got back was "Possibly we are currently testing samples. "

NeilF · 6 Jan 2012 at 15:38

Anyone have any experience of the i.Helicopter which you can control with your iPod or iTouch for example?

Looking for a toy for my son, and he has an iTouch so wonder how good a buy that would be? Or to instead get the Syma S107G? The two are both low £20'ish.

Building Candy · 6 Jan 2012 at 15:42

arknor said:
non of them are the v120d02S though which is a massive step forward for small models.
i emailed buzzfly earlier asking if they would be stocking the v120d02s in the near future and the very short reply i got back was "Possibly we are currently testing samples. "

You seem to be very opinionated considering you havnt flown anything but a 3 channel coax (unless I missed something). A lot of people are asking about moving up from a 3 channel to somehting a bit more advanced, the v120d02 is not a good idea, you need something like a solo pro or a blade msr, somehting cheap that will bounce not break when you crash. Which you will a lot when trying to learn how to fly a proper 4 channel.

wesley · 6 Jan 2012 at 15:58

agreed. v120d02 is very advanced micro heli.

you will struggle to learn how to do the basic control.

v120d02/blade mcpX and others are very useful for who want to practice/learn 3D moves indoor without big repair bills.

i find a bit funny when you said 120SR is 1 step above 3ch heli.

every 4 ch helis behaves very differently, but the control will be same (mode 2). 3ch is not. i stopped flying 3ch helis since i started 4ch helis cos of the controls are totally different.

ZG002 · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:10

Pretty sure arknor is into RC cars and has been for awhile?

Maybe he is just slightly over confident with is background in RC?

SimonCHere · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:25

Building Candy said:
http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/sub-micro-rc-helicopters.asp

good selection here, a lof of the buzzfly own models are walkera helis rebranded, the 3ds is a 4g6. I get a lot of my spares from them.

Yeah I have used buzzfly a few times for my 4#3b spares most of the time I use chineseJade as they seem to be very fast at dispatch.

I wonder what import duties would be for £128 from the states?

Building Candy · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:25

ZG002 said:
Pretty sure arknor is into RC cars and has been for awhile?

Maybe he is just slightly over confident with is background in RC?

Not the only one, Ive raced rc cars for 10 years and when i got the chopper I realised it was a whole new game.

Broken Hope · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:27

What's the difference between a 3 channel and 4 channel helicopter?

NeilF · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:29

Broken Hope said:
What's the difference between a 3 channel and 4 channel helicopter?

At a guess...
Up/down
Forward/backward
Rotate left/right

Move Left/right

Building Candy · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:33

NeilFawcett said:
At a guess...
Up/down
Forward/backward
Rotate left/right

Move Left/right

The difference is a 4 channel will wander around if you dont constantly correct it, its agile, and with agility comes instability. A 3 channel coax just hovers in one place with no correction.

NeilF · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:43

Building Candy said:
The difference is a 4 channel will wander around if you dont constantly correct it, its agile, and with agility comes instability. A 3 channel coax just hovers in one place with no correction.

Huh? What's the 4th channel for then?

2-->4 channels helicopters generally use their channels for:-
1ch up/down
2ch rotate left/right
3ch forwards/backwards
4ch move left/right

I'm no expert, but I can't see any other way for the difference to work!?

wesley · 6 Jan 2012 at 16:49

not just 4ch control is different. mainly is single rotor blade. totally different.

imagine you got a bearing ball in plastic bowl. the ball would stays in middle of bowl, as soon you move the bowl around, ball would moves. but as soon you stop moving the bowl, the ball would slow down and stop in middle. that's coax helis.

now, with single roter helis, very different. turn the bowl upside-down and put the ball on top of bowl. you know what i'm going to say the rest

so you have 4 controls to keep the ball in balance on top of the bowl. not easy as you'd think, any small wrong move, repair bills

NeilF · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:00

wesley said:
not just 4ch control is different. mainly is single rotor blade. totally different.

imagine you got a bearing ball in plastic bowl. the ball would stays in middle of bowl, as soon you move the bowl around, ball would moves. but as soon you stop moving the bowl, the ball would slow down and stop in middle. that's coax helis.

now, with single roter helis, very different. turn the bowl upside-down and put the ball on top of bowl. you know what i'm going to say the rest

so you have 4 controls to keep the ball in balance on top of the bowl. not easy as you'd think, any small wrong move, repair bills

OK, I'll take your word for it.

My logical head is telling me a 3CH helicopter has three channels of control, and a 4CH helicopter has four?

Of course how these channels are applied may vary, and I don't pretend to understand what this may entail.

wesley · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:04

yes collective pitch helis has 6ch, nitro has 7ch

Broken Hope · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:13

NeilFawcett said:
Huh? What's the 4th channel for then?

2-->4 channels helicopters generally use their channels for:-
1ch up/down
2ch rotate left/right
3ch forwards/backwards
4ch move left/right

I'm no expert, but I can't see any other way for the difference to work!?

See what you say seems to match up with what they say here:

http://www.rctoyhouse.com/category_s/216.htm

4-channels: Allows the helicopter to go up and down, rotate right and left, move forwards and backwards, and drift from side to side.

NeilF · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:17

Broken Hope said:
See what you say seems to match up with what they say here:

http://www.rctoyhouse.com/category_s/216.htm

Aha!

I'm sure at some level though, the remote control helicopter would move over to a full squash plate instead of the contrived mechanisms found in a lot of these simple 3-4ch units...

I'm guessing that's when you start hitting 6ch!? Controlling the pitch of the blades and everything :eek:

DailyGeek · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:21

Well going from my mini apache 3.5ch to a full CP Neon Blaze v3 (Walkera 59#d) was a bit of a jump, throttled up, tipped forward and wanged the rotors into the ground, broke the blade holders, tail boom and boom struts. Oops. Didn't even get it off the ground

Oh, and look at the Heliguy Atom FP for a small 4ch - £39.99

wesley · 6 Jan 2012 at 17:32

NeilFawcett said:
Aha!

I'm sure at some level though, the remote control helicopter would move over to a full squash plate instead of the contrived mechanisms found in a lot of these simple 3-4ch units...

I'm guessing that's when you start hitting 6ch!? Controlling the pitch of the blades and everything

yep, when i flew collective pitch for the first time, start with middle stick = zero pitch. increase the throttle slowly = create pos pitch. heli lift off but i went up a little to fast so i move stick back down too quickly, just under the middle stick so ended up with neg pitch. the heli shot down into ground like a bullet. Snapped off the tail boom with blade. big repair bill :mad: