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Looks like kaka could have a carrear ending injury. Played through the world cup with an injury and got worst as a result.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06082010/58/la-liga-kaka-injury-ended-career.html

If i paid £60mil for a player just to get 1 poor season out of him i would be slightly peeved.
This however will bring up the topic of compenstion being paid to clubs when players get injured when on national duty. Torres springs to mind, the number of times he has come back crocked from spain is fustrating.
 
Meh, it's unlucky but that's life, personally I hate the idea of 'club before country' with the idea of any sort of patriotism in football disintegrating.
 
IT sounds more like an excuse to me, he showed entirely no signs of playing in pain at the world cup, infact he played better than he had all year, although was still rather crap and lucky to get the goals/assists he did.

So he's fine last season, he's just utterly utterly crap for months and months, with Ronaldo playing out of his skin, winning penalties and letting Kaka take several to at least end up with some goals on his stats. Then he gets dropped, which is later called really bad injuries, even though he plays now and then. Then he plays in the world cup, is rather crap, and is suddenly injured again, rather than officially being dropped?

Also, months after Brazil are out, he's in massive pain with his knee but doesn't do anything, or see a doctor, goes to training, complains about knee pain on his first day, goes to the doctor and within a day has surgery on a truly horrific injury, which he played through the world cup on, but didn't complain about during the world cup, in the month after the world cup, or until the first day of training?

Sounds like utter utter rubbish to me, honestly, that bad an injury, that any other player in the world would have gotten surgery for and missed the cup, but not only did he play, he didn't seek treatment for this incredibly painful injury, till the first day of training in August?

Someone trying to hide from being the worlds most expensive flop in the history of sport, let alone just football if you ask me.
 
I do find it somewhat unbelievable that they didn't realise he didn't have an injury considering how pampered he inevitably is (medically).
 
StewartMG said:
I do find it somewhat unbelievable that they didn't realise he didn't have an injury considering how pampered he inevitably is (medically).
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Thing is, if he supposedly KNEW he was playing injured, someone had to of had a look at it over the world cup, I can't believe he went around for over a month since ignoring a career threatening level injury that hurt, and just went to look into it.

Neither do doctors talk publically about patients unless asked to, which frankly also seems suspicious.

You're a sportsman, your knee, ankle, balls, elbow, neck is killing you, your entire career is based on being physically fit, apparently the pain is bad and you've had it for months........ so you wait and do nothing about it? I don't think a single sportsman on earth would do that, at any level, let alone when it threatens a what, 150-200k a week job at Real Madrid. I don't think a guy playing at Brentford would ignore it, nor ALLOWED to ignore it by his teams medical staff, theres no way in hell the Brazilian medical people wouldn't have made him see someone, or told the Real staff and they'd have done something.

Torres had the Spain team looking after him and the Liverpool guys flew out to check up on whatever it was, but Kaka just ignores it, I just can't see it.

He might have an injury, it might be bad and he might miss 4 months, but theres something else going on, just adding to the story to cover his awful form, or make excuses for the future, or maybe he needs time off to deal with personal issues which may be part of why he's playing like a retarded monkey. Theres more too it though or the biggest bunch of incompetant medical staff, both brazil, real, his personal doctor, himself, his managers and coachs all made a monumental error in judgement?
 
Injury aside, it didnt seem like his heart was in it at Madrid.
Afaik he wasnt even keen to move? But got 'pushed' out because Milan couldnt refuse the funds.
 
StewartMG said:
Meh, it's unlucky but that's life, personally I hate the idea of 'club before country' with the idea of any sort of patriotism in football disintegrating.
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Very rarely the case with Brazilians, they are ridiculously patriotic and I've heard plenty of accounts of Brazilians trying harder for the national team with Robinho being the current and obvious example
 
StewartMG said:
Meh, it's unlucky but that's life, personally I hate the idea of 'club before country' with the idea of any sort of patriotism in football disintegrating.
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It's not nice is it? However, that's just the way football is. UEFA/FIFA got the EPL and Champions League they wanted, and over 4 years they generate more money than the two national championships. Over 4 years they sustain more interest as well than a single knock out tournament. Heck even the qualifiers are seen as an annoyance by a good chunk of domestic fans. Myself included; I utterly despise the fact England play Hungary soon.

With players now being able to be paid so much by their clubs, it's little wonder that almost every manager out there with internationals in their squad fakes an injury or two over a season.
 
Im a bit suspicious of the quotes from the dr /surgeon.....they just dont quite ring true

It was more like - oh look at me and how great I am ....rather than I was just looking after my patient who needed critical attention

(and as stated above - dr's woudlnt normally talk about their patients unless asked too)

Kaka is probably out until Jan then depending on the recuperation, how much will they spend on an AM to replace him......
 
Alpherah said:
Injury aside, it didnt seem like his heart was in it at Madrid.
Afaik he wasnt even keen to move? But got 'pushed' out because Milan couldnt refuse the funds.
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You're partly wrong. He'd always spoken of Real but said he wouldn't force a move, it would be up to us to sell him and that if we didn't, he would never make it an issue. He was more than happy to play for Real.

The injury was "career-threatening" but he underwent surgery yesterday and the surgeon has said that although his career was at risk, it is now safe. This surgeon (Marc Martens if memory serves) has operated on (real) Ronaldo before now as well as others - he's considered one of if not the best in the world when it comes to knee injuries.

Kaka was beginning to pick up injuries more frequently during the latter stages of his Milan career and Galliani repeatedly complained publicly about the systematic fouling system teams were using against him domestically but hey, what did they expect when we built a style that relied so heavily on him? It shouldn't come as much of a surprise he's not been fully fit since joining Real.

Of course, he's also struggled because he was the central figure of Milan's system and that's completely not the case at Real.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
IT sounds more like an excuse to me, he showed entirely no signs of playing in pain at the world cup, infact he played better than he had all year, although was still rather crap and lucky to get the goals/assists he did.

So he's fine last season, he's just utterly utterly crap for months and months, with Ronaldo playing out of his skin, winning penalties and letting Kaka take several to at least end up with some goals on his stats. Then he gets dropped, which is later called really bad injuries, even though he plays now and then. Then he plays in the world cup, is rather crap, and is suddenly injured again, rather than officially being dropped?

Also, months after Brazil are out, he's in massive pain with his knee but doesn't do anything, or see a doctor, goes to training, complains about knee pain on his first day, goes to the doctor and within a day has surgery on a truly horrific injury, which he played through the world cup on, but didn't complain about during the world cup, in the month after the world cup, or until the first day of training?

Sounds like utter utter rubbish to me, honestly, that bad an injury, that any other player in the world would have gotten surgery for and missed the cup, but not only did he play, he didn't seek treatment for this incredibly painful injury, till the first day of training in August?

Someone trying to hide from being the worlds most expensive flop in the history of sport, let alone just football if you ask me.
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Far be it from me to question your footballing knowledge, but Kaka played all last season with a long term groin injury and was "prevented" from undertaking the long term rehabilition the injury needed to heal.
These things happen, its your main gripe with Wenger.
 
atpbx said:
Far be it from me to question your footballing knowledge, but Kaka played all last season with a long term groin injury and was "prevented" from undertaking the long term rehabilition the injury needed to heal.
These things happen, its your main gripe with Wenger.
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Who says this exactly? WE all knew bendtner was playing all year with an injury, also Wenger rarely plays injured players and never doesn't let them get treatment, so not sure how it can be my main gripe with Wenger. He often rushes back players from injury, not quite sure how you can claim thats the same thing at all though.

Then theres the little problem that, Kaka passed a medical to sign for 60million without an issue, its fairly rare for someone to pass a medical and be signed for an immense fee, if they are carrying an injury thats long term that could effect them for ages, also, he managed to run around, not show a single sign of pain, play in games every few days, run the whole game, and get around the pitch without a sign of injury, not for days, or weeks, but for 5 months. He only started having "injury" problems after months of awful form where people questioned how on earth he was worth 60million.

So after a 60million player is a complete and utter flop, he suddenly has excuses coming out the ying yang.

Your theory that he had an injury all year, does that explain why he played in the world cup with a bad injury, why the Brazillian team aswell as the Real team wouldn't let him get treatment(Ronaldo missed part of the season through injury, didn't see them stop him getting treatment, nor any other injured player, just Kaka they were mean to though?). Then despite the bad injury and no pain, he went a month untreated, on his own, who was preventing him getting treatment then exactly? Likewise he turned up to day one of training, had a problem and Real instantly sent him off to get medical treatment which will cause him to be out for 4 months.

So again Real preventing him getting treated, despite the fact it was apparently not so severe he couldn't play on injured in the world cup. Yup, all these theories make perfect sense and add up to the logical idea that Kaka is not crap, but Real prevented him getting treatment, no really, that makes perfect sense.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Who says this exactly? WE all knew bendtner was playing all year with an injury, also Wenger rarely plays injured players and never doesn't let them get treatment, so not sure how it can be my main gripe with Wenger. He often rushes back players from injury, not quite sure how you can claim thats the same thing at all though.

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Thats the story from more than one journalist and various statements from Kaka himself:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/gabriele_marcotti/article7107758.ece

But hang on a minute, Bender played all year with with an injury, but Wenger doesnt play injured players?
And Wenger rushes players back from injury so they get injured again ( just like Kaka has been and given the time left to recover) but Kaka is entirely different because you have a bee in you bonnet over him?

Nonsense as usual from you.
 
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