Real in the Kaka

I too, feel Fergie should be sacked. I too am not on god knows however million a year and the most successful football manager in the world for my football knowledge and winning ways.
 
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Thats the story from more than one journalist and various statements from Kaka himself:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/gabriele_marcotti/article7107758.ece

But hang on a minute, Bender played all year with with an injury, but Wenger doesnt play injured players?
And Wenger rushes players back from injury so they get injured again ( just like Kaka has been and given the time left to recover) but Kaka is entirely different because you have a bee in you bonnet over him?

Nonsense as usual from you.
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Bendtner got injured, went out for treatment and was rushed back in before he was match fit, and apparently before he was healed properly as he's since carried the same injury since he came back in Jan/Feb, and has now had surgery on it again.

You suggested that Wenger somehow consistantly refuses to allow his players treatment and that is supposed to be the situation Kaka is in, and that I complain about this.

THat is completely rubbish, name a player that had an injury and WASN'T allowed treatment, and name a time I complained about that.

Rushing players back in, largely because he won't give bench riders a run in the team(vela, eddie, Theo were largely fit for most of the time Bendtner/RVP were out, and they got almost zero game time upfront as a striker, though Arshavin, who was woeful upfront, played lots of games there).

So again I'll point out you were talking absolute rubbish, and you're STILL talking rubbish about Bendtner.

Simple fact is you stated I complain about Wenger doing the same thing being done to Kaka all the time, and you can't name a single player who didn't get treatment and was "forced" to play seriously injured without treatment. For the record, it was bad, he got treatment, it was only a niggle when he came back, not a full on groin injury,(completely and utterly unlike the supposed career threatening, massive pain injury Kaka was forced to play through).
 
jakeke said:
Agree with you, to say Kaka isn't naturally talented and determined it just wrong. I'd argue he has the same (I personally think more) natural ability as Ronaldo, but Ronaldo has obviously taken his body to the absolute limits and therefore is more effective as a player now, that said, Kaka is far from lazy. It just hasn't clicked yet which is in part down to a new league, team mates, manager and style of play and in part down to a season heavily disrupted by injury.

Not to mention Ronaldo is the golden boy over in Madrid, he can do no wrong. You constantly see him trying to do ridiculous things, shots, dribbles that will NEVER come off etc. and it never gets brought up, yet if he gets a shot out of 10 right it's all over the papers.
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Ronaldo scored 26 goals in the league, Kaka, did not, nor did he come close, and half his goals were gifted penalties that Ronaldo let him take if Ronaldo had already scored, and Kaka won few of those penalties if any. Kaka constantly through the season tried to dribble through players and constantly failed, he tried everything Ronaldo tried until he was finally dropped, sorry, injured badly except when he didn't want to be, like the world cup.

While playing in the same way, taking on the same shots, dribbling through players and trying to pass the ball around Ronaldo got a bunch of assists, scored an absolute shedload, while Kaka was missing sitters and finding it hard to pass 15 yards without screwing it up.

Kaka has always been massively over hyped and never close to as good as his PR, his highest EVER scoring season he scored exactly half as much as Ronaldo, 21 to Ronaldo's 42, the most assists Kaka has ever got is 12, to Ronaldo's 20.

For the record Kaka managed in his last season at AC, to score 16 league goals in 28 starts and 3 sub appearances, its his best ever league haul, the following season he started 21 games, scoring 8, of which half were penalties "gifted" to him. He also played 38 games for club and country, his best season, the one previously, he played 34 games total.

I find it hard for it to be a season massively interupted by injury if, he showed no signs of injury in the first half of the season, when he was completely crap, and I find it hard to believe he was suffering from a bad injury causing massive pain, he was prevented from getting treatment for, then, saught no treatment in his time off, and Brazil also continued this unheard of situation of forcing him to play with a career threatening injury, again after the world cup ended he waited over a month to seek treatment.

Sorry but its rubbish, he showed zero signs of injury, and made no mention of it, and was utterly crap and after over half a season suddenly he was injured and he'd only played badly because of an injury.

He again showed no sign of injury at all during the world cup.

Sorry but it doesn't add up, and stats wise it doesn't add up. For someone who was a withdrawn striker essentially, he should have more assists and goals probably than a winger of any kind, he's got a pretty poor assist rate compared to most other "main" midfield players and his strike rate isn't particularly good either when you factor in penalties.
 
I never said Kaka had a better season or was a better player, Ronaldo does make a fair amount of decisions that baffle me, but then he'll get a couple right and win the game. Kaka was amazing, don't let the last season or so cloud that, he's had major injuries which affect players differently

By the way football isn't played on a webpage displaying stats, you must know there's certain intracacies of high level football that stats can't pick up on. Kaka is clearly hugely talented even if he's having a hard time with injuries over the last few years

Also it's slightly silly to bring up international stats since Kaka is twice the footballer at international level.

Edit- Sometimes you forget that footballers are just human, it's easily to slip into the mind set that players can have serious injuries then just slip straight back into things like nothing happened. Not true, they can take a massive toll
 
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drunkenmaster, given that Kaka played for Milan as a central attacking midfielder/playmaker who was allowed to float to an inside left or inside right position to begni his run down the middle and Cristiano Ronaldo played as a winger/striker wouldn't one expect the latter to score more goals? They're completely different sorts of player and different thnigs have been asked of them by their respective clubs in their careers. This last season aside, they've also played in leagues which are in no way alike.

I question your views on him because from your last post it is clear you didn't watch him in Serie A. He carried the entire creative force of our one-trick pony team on his shoulders for years and when he was out injured we would genuinely struggle to create a goalscoring chance in a match. He was the catalyst for our 2007 CL victory.

I worry that next you'll be saying that Xavi's lack of goals make him inferior to Lampard and Gerrard.
 
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For the record Kaka managed in his last season at AC, to score 16 league goals in 28 starts and 3 sub appearances
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To put it in context he was the 4th highest scorer in Serie A, the players who scored more were all strikers. Also Pato only got 15 and not so Super anymore Pipo 13. Not bad for an attacking midfielder.
 
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