Real Madrid v Barcelona Sat 10th

Real need a decent manager...Pelliwhatshisface isnt big enough to take the team to any sort of glory.

Chuffed that Barca won...looks like they will again win the La Liga title and probably the CL title as well.

Wasnt a great match but Ronaldo must be wondering where it all went wrong...along with Kaka and the other big names that signed for them.
 
Delighted with the results, pity the game wasn't of better quality. The 2nd goal seem to kill the game as Real tried for about 5 minutes afterwards and then just lost their heads.

Xavi's passing was as per usual, amazing, without him Messi and Barca would have had nothing/very little.
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If they didn't have Xavi they would have signed Fabregas years ago ;)

DM: It's a team game. One of the main differences between Arsenal and Barca is that Fabregas is passing it in behind to Bendter while Xavi is passing to Messi.

Higuan needed the pass VDV/Messi got
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Higuan had a great chance near half time and he fluffed it. Messi scored his and could have another hat-trick but for some very good goal keeping.
 
Pelligrini is an excellent manager but has both arms tied behind his back when it comes to running the team imo.

Excellent first half of football but went very flat very quick in the 2nd half when Barca did what they do and denied Real any meaningful possesion. at 0-2 Real fell apart and it bacame farcical stuff

Now for a nice bit of aftertiming... Ha I called it
 
D1ngd0ng said:
Pelligrini is an excellent manager but has both arms tied behind his back when it comes to running the team imo.
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He isnt really in all honesty...he hasnt made Real successful with all the talent he has at his disposal...hes a bit like Mark Hughes at Man City who couldnt do **** all and City are now much better under Mancini.

Doesnt matter anyhow as he will be gone come end of the season whether he wins the Liga title or not....Real are much like Chelski, getting rid of managers who dont deliver..well to be fair a few of their past managers have won them CL titles and La Liga titles....
 
Real looked poor in comparison to Barca, solid performance with an unortharox setup; alves so far forward caused quite some problems for Real!

I've begun to realize recently quite how hard Puyol works for the team, puts in a massive massive effort week in week out.
 
Spawn said:
He isnt really in all honesty...he hasnt made Real successful with all the talent he has at his disposal...hes a bit like Mark Hughes at Man City who couldnt do **** all and City are now much better under Mancini.

Doesnt matter anyhow as he will be gone come end of the season whether he wins the Liga title or not....Real are much like Chelski, getting rid of managers who dont deliver..well to be fair a few of their past managers have won them CL titles and La Liga titles....
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What utter rubbish, I really don't know pelligrini, but no team EVER has been put together new and been brilliant straight away, its never happened ever in the history of football.

Hughes took over a team that were in the relegation battle midway through last season, and were battling for 4th midway through this season. But thats a crap turnaround right.

Likewise, City aren't even slightly better under Mancini, but for Burnley being two completely different teams for the first third and last two thirds of the season, and Birmingham not as good away, his record isn't great, for a FAR more established team than it was at the start of the season. Their second half of the season is on form to be about 3 points better off than the first half of the season, considering anyone with half a brain would expect the first half to be worse, when you're playing what, a 70% changed line up, then the second half of the season has been underwhelming compared to the first.

Ronaldo won't be wondering where its gone wrong, in the first season of a new team, he's been the second(maybe third) best player in the league. The team in that game wasn't really what we've seen for the majority of the season.

Kaka and Benzema have been awful, the majority of Kaka's goals have been tap ins and penalties won by other people, he's created very little and been incredibly poor all year.

I don't think Pelligrini is good for Real, his team choices for that game were awful, and his lack of making the required changes quick enough was embarassing.

As for unorthadox setup for Barca, what, 4-3-3, same thing they always do. Alves has always been pants defensively and better offensive, he created very little down the right except diving constantly. I mean he quite literally turned jumped in the air, spun and landed and asked for a freekick, when the Real defender didn't get within a metre of him.

Barca were better, it would have been far tighter if Real had played a better team, the team needs some balls when it comes to replacing Ramos and all their left backs to get a better defence, and well, not much they can do with Kaka, ain't no one paying more than 20million for him if he left this season. They can only pray his second year is better, but its not likely. Marcelo, Ramos, VDV, Gago, Kaka, Benzema need replacing or letting go, they desparately need a couple good fullbacks and one winger. They've got plenty of cover in the middle and could raise quite a bit from selling those lot to fund 3 new players.
 
I'd agree about Alves and Ramos, I think they both think they are much better than they actually are. The biggest complaint I would have about Alves is how wasteful he can be when he gets in the final third, always seems to try a ridiculous shot or play a poor pass. Ramos is the opposite, he's fairly good going forward but terrible defensively.

Kaka and Benzema don't need replacing though, it's ridiculous to say they do. Yes, Kaka has had a poor season, but to suggest a player who cost nearly £60 million should be sold after only one season is crazy, not even Real would do that! Also, Benzema is still a very good player who, since Higuain started scoring loads, hasn't really been given much of a chance. If he gets to play regularly you will see the best of him, maybe this won't happen at Real but somebody else will give him the chance.

As for suggesting that Barca need to replace players such as Pedro, Keita and Busquets, that's just plain silly.

The unfortunate thing for Real is that they are chasing arguably the best Barca team ever, and might still finish second despite potentially getting the highest points total ever for a Real team. Real may do better with Mourinho in charge, but there's no guarantee they'd beat Barca if they maintain their current level.
 
I wonder what the opinion is on players such as Pedro and Busquets are?

Pedro IMO has looked very average to me every time I've seen him but has managed to score shed loads some of which have been very classy goals

Busquets on the other hand I think looks like a really top player but is he being made to look better than he is because of those around him?

Opinions?
 
Personally I think Pedro and Busquets are both class players. Messi may well be Barca's best player but you can't hide in a team like Barca, if they weren't up to scratch they wouldn't be playing week in, week out. I think the most impressive thing is how many of Barca's players are from their youth system, they really have built an incredible team without having to sign too many players.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Barcelona's youth setup is amazing. Nicking their top youth coaches and scouts is one of the best things Benitez has ever done for Liverpool.
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The Times had an article on Barcelona's youth system and how they have managed to create such a great team from mainly youth players. Apparently they spend £13.5 million per year finding young talented players, and the La Liga teams are allowed to recruit from anywhere in Spain. They compared this to Manchester United, Chelsea, and Arsenal, none of whom spend more than £4 million a year on youth development, and English teams are only allowed to scout players within England in a 90 mile radius from the club. You would have thought one of the top prem teams would have realised this by now and both complained about such a stupid rule and upped their spending on scouting for their youth systems.
 
Arsenal's youth setup is country mile the best in the country and very competitive. Some decent players have come out of this in recent years and it is very well run and comparative with the Dutch model. Wenger has said many times that by definition a youth setup will not yield quick results as it requires a generation to pass to reap any benefits (after all the kids you recruit have to grow up a bit first) Wenger has now been at the club for that generation and players are coming through the ranks now.

Arsenal also spend a long long time looking at young players. They spent a year following Fab before signing him up (was the U17 champs that sealed the deal as it were if memory serves) Goign back to the youth setup it is scandalous in this country. The Dutch setup is amazing yet nobody wants to spend the time and money to try and emulate it here. The half-cocked facilities at Burton being a prime example.
 
nicktay2605 said:
You would have thought one of the top prem teams would have realised this by now and both complained about such a stupid rule and upped their spending on scouting for their youth systems.
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I would expect that the laws would be based on the legal rights of children in that specific country rather than the regulations of the football association of that nation. The system works both ways too, I remember an article a while back about Italian clubs complaining that English clubs can poach most of their best young players because they're legally able to offer contracts at much younger age than they are.
 
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