Reality check, are AMD just as bad as Nvidia.

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Are AMD just as bad as Nvidia when it comes to over pricing this generation of GPU compared with their last generation?

3090: $1499 MSRP
4090: $1599 MSRP (7% more expensive)

Performance
3090: 100%
4090: 164%
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3080: $699 MSRP
4080: $1199 MSRP (86% more expensive)

Performance
3080: 100%
4080: 148%
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3070Ti: $599 MSRP
4070Ti: $799 MSRP (33% more expensive)

Performance
3070Ti: 100%
4070Ti: 142%
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3070: $499 MSRP
4070: $599 MSRP (20% more expensive)

Performance
3070: 100%
4070: 124%
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3060Ti: $399 MSRP
4060Ti: $399 MSRP

Performance
3060Ti: 100%
4060Ti: 106%
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3060: $329 MSRP (10% more expensive)
4060: $299 MSRP

Performance
3060: 100%
4060: 110%

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6900XT: $999 MSRP
7900XTX: $999 MSRP

Performance
6900XT: 100%
7900XTX: 150%
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6800XT: $649 MSRP
7900XT: $899 MSRP (38% more expensive)

Performance
6800XT: 100%
7900XT: 134%
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6600: $329 MSRP (22% more expensive)
7600: $269 MSRP

Performance
6600: 100%
7600: 127%
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Source TPU here and here

So far i don't think they are, i think Nvidia are much worse. Other then the 7900XT what you get vs the last generation with AMD has been pretty good, lets see if that continues.

With Nvidia other than the 4090 its all just bad, some of it really very bad.

I will add to this as more cards get released.

 

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Everyone wants Nvidia anyway, or at least most do. the marketing is strong in them

Mm..

3080: $699 MSRP
4080: $1199 MSRP (86% more expensive)

Performance
3080: 100%
4080: 148%


The fact that they sold even one of those ^^^ is mindblowing to me.

 

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China wants a few billion worth of NvidAI cards, so get in line PC gamer peasants and know your place. AMD again managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of defeat, too busy making hand over fist money selling CPUs to datacentre.

Its snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

You have a 7900XT.

Incredible headline, how was it neweggs best selling GPU. I think many just buy it without thinking much about it

The Nvidia RTX 4080 is Newegg's best-selling GPU, but the card doesn't make Amazon's top 20​

I.....pht, #### knows.

 

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Yes you do go OMG 4080 terrible value and buy a 7900XTX instead, there's way overpriced and over priced.

I didn't say that tho its better now at $750.

 

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AMD aren't as bad.
But they're not pretty good either.

The 7900XT was bad, i've always said that.

But 50% more performance for the same money (7900XTX vs 6900XT)
And 27% more performance for 22% less money (6600 vs 7600)

I think is pretty good, i don't recall ever getting much better than that. If they continue in that vain its good.

 

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Nvidia's RRP of the 3XXX must be your favourite cards ever launched then lol.

The 7900XTX can never be "good" because it followed Nvidia's boning us with halo products, just like the 6900XT.

They would have been, at least for a while, had the 3070 had more than 8GB, i think that was a decent GPU, could have been better, but not at all bad, 2080Ti for 2070 Money, aside from having only 8GB of VRam, that is what ultimately put me right off it, i did buy a 2070 Super.

 

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The 7600 looks to be a good upgrade to my GTX 1660. Will be at least a year until I can get a new display and then another year for a better GPU. Hopefully AMD bring out a 12gb 7600 XT. But I know I am dreaming.
@humbug , nice way to display this information.

Thanks

 

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Someone mentioned both 4080 and 7900XTX are way overpriced, I'm guessing your $750 reply for a 7900XTX was error?

Good thread btw.

10 years I've been running two systems NV exclusive, now it's split 4070 and 7900XT.

4070 swapped it out with my 3070.

Swapped out the 3080 for a 7900XTX Pulse less than a grand got me a higher spec GPU for my wants over the £200 extra for a 4080FE as the rest don't fit my case.

So although the 79 is expensive, it is a considerably higher uplift than a 4080 for the outlay.

Glad I did as been waiting patiently on Starfield and AMD support is the icing on the cake-which makes them lightyears ahead of the competition in this title.

Someone mentioned both 4080 and 7900XTX are way overpriced, I'm guessing your $750 reply for a 7900XTX was error?

yes

Its 50% batter for the same money than the card its replaced, and its got 24GB vs 16GB on that last gen card, if we are not happy with something like that then its going to be impossible for any of these guys to please us and if that's the impression they get it could make things worse.

Glad I did as been waiting patiently on Starfield and AMD support is the icing on the cake-which makes them lightyears ahead of the competition in this title.

What's that supposed to mean?

Entirely different games, they are both Space games and have "Star" in the title but that's where the similarities end, one is a boundless sandbox MMO, the other is a single player rail hop between scripted instances.
You wont get #### like this from it. I will be buying it, i will no doubt enjoy it, until i've exhausted its limitations.

 

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The trouble is the 6900XT wasn’t good value to begin with, a £600 6800xt with and overclock would put you around 6900xt performance.

Compared to a $1200 3080ti the 35% uplift on a $1200 4080 looks decent value but it really isn’t.

The trouble is the 6900XT wasn’t good value to begin with, a £600 6800xt with and overclock would put you around 6900xt performance.

True

Compared to a $1200 3080ti the 35% uplift on a $1200 4080 looks decent value but it really isn’t.

People did buy those which is probably why Nvidia felt they could do that again.

 

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AMD tech is lightyears ahead of the competition in Starfield.

There is quite a lot of good AMD graphics tech.

 

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It was the people paying £1200 for a 3070 on a 392mm2 that made Nvidia think they could sell their new 379mm2 die card for £1200.

Surly even Nvidia must have realised that A, not many gamers actually bought GPU's at these prices and B, those were exceptional circumstances.

What are they going to do with the 4060 series cards? The 4070 at least is not a bad card, its decent, its just overpriced, all the 4060 cards are just bad, ok maybe that's unfair, there is no such thing as a bad card, just a bad price, with the 4060 series they are all low end cards, they should have all had a 192Bit bus because with the 128Bit bus they aren't much good at 1440P and people paying £400 for a GPU have 1440P screens, i don't know anyone who has a 1080P screen, 1440P screens are dirt cheap.

 

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Look at this, 27" 1440P 144Hz Free-Sync VA panel, £200.

AOC 27" Q27G2E/BK 27” 2560x1440 VA 144Hz 1ms FreeSync LED Backlit Widescreen Gaming Monitor

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Nothing wrong with that screen. it even looks quite nice. Looks more expensive than it is.

 

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Perhaps, but most of the serious buyers of the top end products are aware of fact over the marketing. While their pricing and nerfing of memory is seriously taking the **** they do have some genuine value adds over AMD. DLSS 2 is significantly ahead of FSR, DLSS gives the card another generational level of performance if you need it or when the card starts to become dated it'll allow you to use it for longer. FSR isn't really worth using atm. Frame Gen does seem to work well and will likely only get better. RT will probably also become better and more mainstream in upcoming years. Nvidia Drivers probably have the edge too. As well as power consumption.

To be clear I have no affinity to either brand and if anything would probably pick AMD if all were equal. But DLSS, FG, RT, and drivers do offer customers something extra.

To be fully competitive AMD need to come up with something compelling other than being a single digit % ahead in raster for a few less quid. They either need to lower prices more, be MUCH more powerful at raster, or catch up with the value add features.

You started well with the first line, but then parroted Nvidia's marketing exactly to justify their under performing over priced GPU's, and without a hint of irony.

 

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Did I? DLSS quality mode for an extra 25% FPS and the extra eye candy of RT are things genuinely appealing to me. I largely PC game for graphics fidelity (and controls), otherwise I'd just use my Xbox.

I'm not justifying their sales strategy either, it's actually the reason I still haven't bought and the card currently sitting in my basket is a 6950XT.

Its used as a poor substitute to raw performance, cheaply made slow GPU's sold as premium products.

How about this, the 4060Ti was actually 40% faster than the 3060Ti at the same price WITHOUT the need for marting branded resolution reduction software?

 

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They are all POS, with the exception of the 4090, perhaps.

But they're piggybacking off Nvidia's greed too.

Of course they are, Nvidia and AMD want the same thing but any BS AMD come up with first is instantly called out as BS.

They're just insanely overpriced!!

In this context what's the difference between overpriced and underperforming?

 

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They can all go **** themselves. They have priced me out of buying regular upgrades. I have no idea when I will buy another graphics card, but it isn't going to be soon.

Given we now have Nvidia's full line up, pretty much, i'm going to wait to see what the rasterisation performance is on AMD's GPU's in relation to my 2070S and price.

Couldn't give a flying #### about hit or miss and depend on 3'rd party substitutes. Good Grief!

 

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Raw performance Vs previous gen. The 4060TI is underforming as it's no better than what it replaced. The 4070/Ti/80/90 all perform significantly better than what they are replacing. But at higher cost / overpriced. If the 4080 was £700 people probably wouldn't complain about it at all.

There's that marketed branding again....

The 4070Ti is 15% faster than the 3080 and.... yes its 15% more expensive. but what's in a name, right?

 

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Even if the prices come down performance won't change much and you still have upscaling being pushed. Buy and pay more or buy later when the next gen is due out and prices crash again.

Yeah, its why i singled out the 4060 series, the rest, so far, are not bad cards in of themselves, they can easily be salvaged if pricing is brought down.

All the 4060's are just bad GPU's, that's not to say they are that at any cost, but, they are just crap.

 

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You're saying the 4070TI is really a 4080? So then what is the 4080? A 3090 replacement?



Do you expect prices to crash net gen?

I'm saying its really a 4070, a $600 4070.

 

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plus can generate additional frames with dlls3 while being significantly more power efficient - so even more room for oc resulting in more gains

I heard you the first time.