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In seriousness though, everyone having the same engine will surely produce better racing than everyone other than Mercedes being basically redundant?

So your plan wouldn't work in that case JRS, a spec engine would make it less boring :p. We might not be able to predict the winner of both titles for the next 5 years any more.
 
It will. And yet, everyone will be bored very quickly. That's how these things always go.
 
Always? Is there a long history of multi manufacturer enforced series becoming single spec and then dying?

All I can think of recently is LMP2, and that hasn't happened yet so we can't judge it.

What were the rules around F3000 before it became GP2? (Edit: it was single spec from 1996 onwards).
 
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I cant wait for this saga to play out.

I really hope its true, i also hope redbull produce a solid engine that closes their power gap, and i really want honda to do the same.

2016 with redbull, ferrari, merc, and mclaren all fighting for wins would be immense...all the teams will push harder, we will get reliabiltiy issues all around, more pitstops where drivers dont have margins because they are having to push harder through out the races and the championsship lead changing every race weekend..

A big Hamilton fan that I am, I think the sport desperatly needs another 2010 season, and for Hamilton he needs to come out on top for all the doubters out there to take their hats off to him..... come on 2016, dont disappoint.
 
Syla5 said:
2016 with redbull, ferrari, merc, and mclaren all fighting for wins would be immense
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You're dreaming.

Red Bull will be out of the sport or still struggling with an old Renault unit and Honda's engine will still be a heap of crap.

The most we can hope for in 2016 is Ferrari stepping up to the plate and giving Mercedes a proper run for their money.
 
If neither Renault or Honda can produce a good F1 engine with their unlimited resources and considerable interest in small capacity turbos (all be it the wrong type of block), what makes people think a fizzy drinks company who can build decent car chassis is somehow going to produce something better...

...with no reason too other than to exist...

...in a small building in Milton Keynes...

...with a fraction of the budget...

... in 3 months...

:confused:
 
Vertigo1 said:
You're dreaming.
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Never said i wasnt....dreams do come true though.

Skeeter said:
If neither Renault or Honda can produce a good F1 engine with their unlimited resources and considerable interest in small capacity turbos (all be it the wrong type of block), what makes people think a fizzy drinks company who can build decent car chassis is somehow going to produce something better...

...with no reason too other than to exist...

...in a small building in Milton Keynes...

...with a fraction of the budget...

... in 3 months...

:confused:
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Focus, direction, doing it right instead of doing it wrong....Ferrai managed to turn things around significantly from 14 to 15, they went down the wrong path in 14, changed the approach in 15 and look, a lot closer.

I wouldnt underestimate the "fizzy drinks company" especially when they have done better then some mainstream long standing teams! especially in recent years.
 
Ferrari offers Red Bull new engine idea

Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne says he is open to forging a new kind of partnership with Red Bull in the future, but insists it will not be one where the Milton Keynes-based team is simply given the same engines as the works team.

Although Red Bull has only previously been interested in works parity status with Ferrari, Marchionne believes there is scope for a different kind of relationship to be formed.

He suggests that rather than simply providing Red Bull with its engines, Ferrari can instead form a new kind of technical partnership that would allow the Milton Keynes-based team to plot its own power unit development path.
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Honda would be closer if they didn't follow their own direction with the turbo and compact design. Not necessarily by a huge amount, but it would probably have left them a greater amount of time to focus on getting power from the MGU side instead of how to remove excess heat from within the "size zero" body.

It's similar to the GT-R LM Nismo. When it works, it should work well.
 
Skeeter said:
If neither Renault or Honda can produce a good F1 engine with their unlimited resources and considerable interest in small capacity turbos (all be it the wrong type of block), what makes people think a fizzy drinks company who can build decent car chassis is somehow going to produce something better...

...with no reason too other than to exist...

...in a small building in Milton Keynes...

...with a fraction of the budget...

... in 3 months...

:confused:
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Exactly what my thought was. I bet Renault's 12 token upgrades already makes a big improvement.

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So if they come with something better, Ferrari can copy it? Smart chap.
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It's also probably why Ferrari and Mercedes were against offering engines. They probably knew it would just be copied once Red Bull try and produce their own engine.
 
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muon said:
Exactly what my thought was. I bet Renault's 12 token upgrades already makes a big improvement.



It's also probably why Ferrari and Mercedes were against offering engines. They probably knew it would just be copied once Red Bull try and produce their own engine.
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Stops them taking it to VAG in a couple of years once the diesel saga has died down and getting them to create and Audi version. :p

Then again with all the meddling F1 has there will probably be a new engine in a few years time.
 
Matt-Page said:
Wait, what? I'm confused...What's actually happening?
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Officially? Nothing. RBR have no engines.

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Everything else is rumour and speculation (and a truck load of wishful thinking).
 
I have to wonder if the current WEC engines could be used cheaply. Similar technology, more powerful and already developed. Are they 4WD though?
Andi.
 
They are 4WD, a lot (not all, perhaps Porsche?) Deploy the ERS power through the front wheels.

The WEC engines could not be easily dropped into an F1 car, and they are certainly not cheap. The money being spent on WEC by the manufacturer teams is miles ahead of what's been spent making F1 engines.

And that's before you get to the size. There massive. LMP1 cars weight almost twice as much as F1 cars.

The ethos of WEC is great though. But the suggestion of any sort of balance of power regulations in F1 has been met with a frosty reception.
 
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They are 4WD, a lot (not all, perhaps Porsche?) Deploy the ERS power through the front wheels.

The WEC engines could not be easily dropped into an F1 car, and they are certainly not cheap. The money being spent on WEC by the manufacturer teams is miles ahead of what's been spent making F1 engines.
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Really? I thought they were all rear wheel driven?.
 
The ICE is (obviously excluding the Nissan) but the ERS can deploy to any axle.

Edit: The Toyota TS040 deploys ERS to both axles, the R18 Hybrid ERS is on the front axle alone, and the Porsche 919 ERS is front axle too. If Nissan get it working their ICE will power the front and ERS the rear.

So in fact, Toyota are the only ones powering a single axle with both power sources (at the moment... who knows what they will do next year). So the closest to an F1 engine format is a 3.7L NA V8 and supercapacitor ERS. I'm making the assumption that the ERS is on the crankshaft and not directly on the axle at the rear.
 
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