for that i would need a new PSU at +£ 200-250 both are very power hungry beasts
Reduce my expensive build. Advice plz
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would you say you have a bit of ill feeling towards ASUS due to that? perfectly fine to have. i have the same about Corsair. my situation was one stick of ram failed which at the time led me to RMA an Asus MOBO. only to get a new gigabyte one and find it was the ram. i was a noob PC builder back then but i'll probably never trust corsair again even though they were really good and replaced the whole set for free.
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The hardware at the time was fine, I just don't like 'wasting money' on replacing something that doesn't need replacing and they're the only company I've used that has done that...so that probably does play a part in my selection of parts. I do go for companies I've had good experience of and I'm sure most of us do the same.
I've had a psu fail and take out a gigabyte dual socket athlon mp motherboard (literally melted the socket on the board) but I don't blame the psu or gigabyte, I blame the company that built the pc (I wasn't as keen building pc's then) using a cheap psu... it has made me ensure I buy a decent psu though and I build my own now to MY spec.
I've had one kingston ram fail, failure isn't really the issue, it's how things are dealt with and in all honesty I'd had the ram for over 10 years type of thing when it failed so just threw it away, still had 3GB left (shows it's age there lol)....
Hi All,
First Build in ten years so i am splashing out, but also trying to reduce the cost. The new AMD chips and the 40 series GPUs which have gut punched my budget coming out pretty much 40% more than i orginally planned.
I am looking for options that i could possibly consider. i have a few things that i really want and i am willing to pay the extra for.
i am very near having a list i am ok with , but may wait a month or so to see what the 7800X3D brings to the table and if prices in generaly across the board come down a bit.
so what to i need it for? i do a lot of 3d games work, UE5, mostly modeling and some odd bit of rendering, i play some games. generally i spend quite a bit of time on my PC, so want a good rig.
atm i have a 2k monitor but want a wide screen 4k one when i win the lottery.
Here is the list. I cant quite believe its this high, but hey, its the over inflated PC market these days.
things in Orange i kind of want / have settled on. things in green i am undecided on.
Case Lian Li O11 Air Mini - Black
CPU Ryzen 9 / 7950X3D
RAM 64gb Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz
GCard Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080
PWR Supply Existing PSU Seasonic 850 focus ( no cost)
CPU water cooler NZXT Kraken Z63 AIO CPU Water Cooler with LCD Screen - 280mm
Motherboard Asus ROG Strix X670E-F Gaming WIFI
HDD M2 2tb Samsung 990 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.3c Solid State Drive
WINDOWS 11 Pro
Optional
Noctua fans 120 x5
Noctua fans 140 x2
Fan controller NZXT RGB & Fan Controller
Total so far 3.4k
Orginal budget was 3k
so things i have considered are
Getting a cheaper GPU, i have considered somthing less but the 4070Ti i think wont help with 4k gaming when i go that way, i'd rather get a 3090Ti for more Vram.
Getting a cheaper Processor, but as i need it mostly for 3d work and gaming its a bit tough to decide on which one now. the 7800X3D will be cheaper and better for games if i was only doing that. but it would not be as good for 3D rendering / video editing. i could go last gen CPU
Reduce the ram to 32gb but kind of want 64.
get a 1TB SSD
using my existing PSU for that saves me £250
i did consider a B650 Mobo but have settled upon the X670E for about £70 more.
kind of want the Kraken just for asthetic reasons and keeping and eye on temps.
I also want a quiet PC so will replace the fans with Noctua ones for the AIO and case
Anyway there it is, i am probably going a bit nuts but i only buiild a PC every 7 - 10 years
Thanks, any suggestions i could consider would be great or if you think somthing could be better let me know.
Thanks
Paul
A big part of your spec price is the RGB. You've gone for the top end kraken cooler, iirc that's twice the price of their basic non-rgb version.
I seemed to recall the non-rgb variants of the ram were also significantly less.
Lian Li cases are quite expensive, if you were trying to keep within budget then a very basic case.
Those 3 would probably easily knock £600 off your total without compromising performance on components.
You just need to decide whether that's something you can live with, or decide to up the budget some more.
ok i have see your thinking on this and tbh i think you could be right for me going intel and a 4090 would be a better option for what i do. what about this?I'd go with a 13700k and a 4090 for a good mix of productivity and gaming instead of a 7950X3D + 4080.
My basket at OcUK:
- 1 x Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6AX-IN) = £424.99
- 1 x Gigabyte Z790 UD AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BN-GI) = £269.99
- 1 x Corsair Vengeance RGB 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMH64GX5M2B5600C36) (SKU: MY-4DZ-CS) = £329.99
- 1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13E-ZT) = £1,699.99
- 1 x MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5 UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-00W-MS) = £159.95
Total: £2,892.90 (includes delivery: £7.99)
The 4090 takes up 50% of the budget
| Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini - Black | |
| CPU | Intel Core i7-13700K | |
| RAM 64gb | Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBAK2-64) | |
| GCard | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 WindForce 24GB | |
| PWR Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Gold Modular | |
| CPU water cooler | NZXT Kraken Z63 AIO CPU Water Cooler with LCD Screen - 280mm | |
| Motherboard | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX | |
| HDD M2 2tb | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.3c Solid State Drive |
Total £3,517
£348
(incl. VAT)
£170
(incl. VAT)
very true, somthings i am willing to spend a £100 more on just to get a brand i trust or somthing i want 3.5k is the max i think i can stretch to. its my first build in 10 years so i am willing to rethink stuff.
i could get a Arctic Freezer 2 360 RAD but i dont think it would fit in the case
. worried the 4090 wont fit either so will have to check that or get the riser for the case if its to wide or re think it.lots of things in flux atm thanks to everyones recommendations
. sorry to be a pain. i am just planning things out right now to get that best set up for me that i am happy with / in budget if pos.
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or i could go a little over and remove the bling and reduce the SSD to one TB WD SN850X
Total £3,686
| Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini - Black | |
| CPU | Ryzen 9 7950X3D | |
| RAM 64gb | Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBAK2-64) | |
| GCard | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 WINDFORCE 24G | |
| PWR Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Gold Modular | |
| CPU water cooler | NZXT Kraken X63 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 280mm | |
| Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X670E-F Gaming WIFI | |
| HDD M2 1tb | WD Black SN850X 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS100T2X0E) |
Total £3,686
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there are many good brands besides Seasonic. One thing you should get rid of from your mentality is brand loyalty. thats how you waste money on overpriced components that bank on people who only know "seasonic means good" because linus says so. something like the MSI A1000G is excellent, ATX 3.0 compliant, built on the new CWT CSZ platform which has proven to perform very well. theres also the new Thermaltake GF3 750-1200W which is based on the same platform as the MSI one. Forget the idea of higher 80+ efficiency means more better, because thats completely wrong. Seasonic showed us that with their older Focus and Prime line that had terrible transient response and shut down under high loads from cards like the 3090. I believe Jonnyguru (used to review PSUs but now works at Corsair) said the new RMx Shift line also passed ATX 3.0 certification so thats a good option now too.
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Again another way to waste money. NZXT knows their market. People see their AIOs on poorly budgeted youtube and tiktok builds and think its good. Theyre not worth their price at all. They are rebranding Asetek pumps, and not even the latest gen, and putting their name and RGB on them to exploit people like you. Deepcool's new LS and LT line use an in-house pump design and perform much better than the NZXT AIOs of the same rad size while being a lot cheaper. There's also the tried and true Arctic LF2 coolers but if you want RGB then its a write-off. If you want to save money, and not be taken advantage of, stop being so oblivious
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£260 for an LCD screen and not the best cooler...
in the same case you getting i run an arctic liquid freezer ii 280, can be had for £90 and no better cooler on the marget because of the thicker rad and better designed contact plate.
BUT.... no lcd screen so you may want to spend that extra £170
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Thank Wing-man the NZXT cooler is an extra £20 - £30 to AF 2 i couldn't find a 280 AF2 cooler on OCUK.
i like sea sonic from personal experience of owning one, linus has nothing to do with it and I personally i don't really rate him and rarely watch any of his videos, but i'll look at your recommendations so thanks for them.
i got mine from Bgrade for £50 but yer i can see that its not on the ocuk site, but google is your friend and it can be had for £99.99, the none RGB nzxt is £240.
that just too much of a difference for a lower spec cooler but its got an LCD screen so you know... its all good
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the NZXT Kraken X63 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 280mm is £139 on OCUK. this was the last one i added to my list, not the LCD one. i do listen some times
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the NZXT Kraken X63 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 280mm is £139 on OCUK. this was the last on i added to my list, not the LCD one. i do listen some times
I know this is a weird ask so far into the thread, but if you've not had a machine upgrade for around a decade, then why do you need to go full ham now on a build? Have you only just started using it for "i do a lot of 3d games work, UE5, mostly modeling and some odd bit of rendering, i play some games. generally i spend quite a bit of time on my PC, so want a good rig." be interesting to know, as you may end up with better value long term if you look to change your build before you commit.
i was going to build a new system before the pandemic but then prices sky rocketed so I foolishly i decided i would wait until prices came down. i am sure many other people did the same thing. i have been in the games industry for 16 years so no its not something i have just started. i would like top of the line system to do work and a bit of gaming with when i am not doing personal work. Yes i could set a lower budget and get a last gen system and it would be fine but i want to spend a decent amount which would have a bit of future proofing, i have saved up for it for a while and have waited long enough.
the NZXT Kraken X63 AIO CPU Water Cooler - 280mm is £139 on OCUK. this was the last on i added to my list, not the LCD one. i do listen some times
you just saved £100
Soldato
Fair enough, so if you had built in the pandemic and you ended up with an RTX 3080, AMD 5900x/5950x based system would you be looking to upgrade it now? Do you intended to keep it again for 10 years? I just think that someone in the games industry who managed on a system for 10 years, means that spending £3k+, when you could be spending nearly half that twice would be wiser in the longer term, or even just paring back the silly priced parts that will add little to nothing in performance terms.
Here's a build at a more sensible price which will still give you huge performance for what you require.
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X 4.7 GHz 12-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock B650M PG RIPTIDE Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: Palit GamingPro GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card
Case: NZXT H5 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case
Total: ~£1850
Keep you current PSU, and aim to upgrade using the £1,600 you have saved as and when you require it, be that to a Zen5/6 based CPU, more RAM (have you been running 32GB of RAM, or are you jumping to 64GB straight away for a reason, DDR5 is still new and improving almost monthly both in performance and quality?), a faster GPU in a couple of years etc.
Ask yourself this, is spending nearly 100% more going to give you 100% more performance or 20-30%, vs spending that same amount in a couple of years where it will give you more like 60-100%, so over the life of the system you end up having something faster for more of the time.
yeah i go to work where they have lots of lovely expensive workstations. atm i am not doing personal work. you can still do fairly ok modelling on the GTX 780 in blender or any other program.
You are right i could do another upgrade in 5 years time again but i'd rather get a system i am happy with now not in 5 years time. in theory not upgrading for 4 years has saved me a bunch of cash that i can spend now on this build.
new things are always around the corner and with the way prices are going my 4090 would still be the same price in 2 years time.
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I highly doubt that.
So basically you just want a flashy gaming system that you might do some work on?
Didn't say 5 years, I said as and when you require it, could be 18 months, could be 3 years. Could be a CPU, could be more RAM could be a faster GPU etc.
Anyhow you've already convinced yourself you *need* the expensive system, and I guess you looking for some sort of confirmation, it is your money and if you were happy to spend £3k over 10 years, then adding another £400-1000 isn't that much different really. I'd buy what you want rather than scrimping and missing out on your fancy LCD display cooler etc. otherwise you'll just end up wishing you had.
Why not? my mate bought a 3080 for 800 pounds almost two years ago and its still around 800 pounds of OCUK today, graphics card prices haven't really shifted for a long time, that is the problem.
i thank you all for your help. i have added in a lot of what you have said , ive considered other options like going down the intel route, and going for a 4090. now i have a lot of options
and lots of things i would not of considered this morning. ive not set out with the plan that i need an expensive system, i need a system i'd be happy with for a while . if graphics card prices and processors prices were not in general over priced i'd be super happy but we don't live in that time now where a bare basic bones last gen GPU is over £500 .
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